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02-12-09, 08:55 AM
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The point of concealed carry, is precisely that you aren't sure if the guy is armed or not. Thus people become more cautious in general of one another without the need to flash anything (and wether or not you actually had a gun). So by allowing concealed carry, everyone becomes safter even if no one carries a gun in actuality; its like a placebo effect (psst, don't tell anyone the secret).
I bet if anyone else were to ride bike in this area and had a gun holster with a either a toy gun that looks real or a air pistol those teenagers would mess with you. That would be a better placebo effect then having the frame of mind people are less likely to attack you because they do not know if you have a gun or not.
02-12-09, 09:10 AM
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02-12-09, 09:26 AM
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To hell with the stop or I'll shoot crap. If my life was in danger and I had a gun there would be no warning. I'd just pull the gun and start firing at the closest attacker, then the next and so on. I bet the rest of the little punk *******s scatter like roaches when the light comes on after they see their friends get shot.
How ever if I did give warning the scene from the movie Tombstone comes to mind. Where Wyatt Earp, played by Curt Russel is trying to take one of the cowboy gang in because he shot and killed the Marshall when he was handing over his gun. Ike said to turn him loose with the rest of the gang waiting to rush Wyatt. Wyatt puts the gun right to Ike's head and says "You die first get it?" "Your Friends may get me in a rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe!" Ike then wisely tells the gang to back down, but one of them says he's bluffing, to which Ike says no he's not, he'll kill me.
I kind of picture something like that IF I gave warning. I'd find the closest attacker, after I pull the gun out, put it to his head, none of this 3' away crap, I mean right at his head, and say everyone else may get me in a rush but not before I kill you. Then I'd point it at the next closest person and say you're next. Then I'd ask, ok who wants to rush me first?
How ever if I did give warning the scene from the movie Tombstone comes to mind. Where Wyatt Earp, played by Curt Russel is trying to take one of the cowboy gang in because he shot and killed the Marshall when he was handing over his gun. Ike said to turn him loose with the rest of the gang waiting to rush Wyatt. Wyatt puts the gun right to Ike's head and says "You die first get it?" "Your Friends may get me in a rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe!" Ike then wisely tells the gang to back down, but one of them says he's bluffing, to which Ike says no he's not, he'll kill me.
I kind of picture something like that IF I gave warning. I'd find the closest attacker, after I pull the gun out, put it to his head, none of this 3' away crap, I mean right at his head, and say everyone else may get me in a rush but not before I kill you. Then I'd point it at the next closest person and say you're next. Then I'd ask, ok who wants to rush me first?
02-12-09, 10:33 AM
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I know where this area is...went to college in K-Zoo.
A gun would only get you killed. I guarantee there were a lot of guns carried by the human sewage that were attacking. A couple of hand grenades might work though.
edit: there was a lot of speculation on the race of the victim:
Weird sidebar: Kalamazoo is known for the Kalamazoo Promise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_Promise) which provides free college tuition to all students in the District.
A gun would only get you killed. I guarantee there were a lot of guns carried by the human sewage that were attacking. A couple of hand grenades might work though.
edit: there was a lot of speculation on the race of the victim:
The group that reportedly attacked Stafford was made up of black males, according to Assistant Chief Pat Wright. Stafford's aunt said her nephew is a mixture of black, white and Native American. "None of the witnesses indicated race had anything to do with this," Wright said of the attack.
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02-12-09, 10:40 AM
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I just read about this in my local paper here in California. People suck.
02-12-09, 11:06 AM
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I don't know. Once the guns get introduced into the equation there is a fairly strong impetus to be the first mover.
Biker: draws gun "Stop or I'll shoot!"
Hoods: draw gun(s) "We're shooting first!"
Really, the biker would have to come out blazing. What if the hoods weren't packing? Biker mass murderer? It's never as simple as it seems.
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Biker: draws gun "Stop or I'll shoot!"
Hoods: draw gun(s) "We're shooting first!"
Really, the biker would have to come out blazing. What if the hoods weren't packing? Biker mass murderer? It's never as simple as it seems.
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02-12-09, 12:07 PM
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Why the worries about the guy using a gun to defend himself? If I was attacked by that many I'd assume that I was going to be killed anyway.
The biggest question here is how many parents and neighbors will be saying that any of the attackers are "such a good boy" or "never been in any trouble, or "that's not like him, he wouldn't do that".
The biggest question here is how many parents and neighbors will be saying that any of the attackers are "such a good boy" or "never been in any trouble, or "that's not like him, he wouldn't do that".
02-12-09, 01:11 PM
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People should be required to take common sense classes before they're allowed to carry handguns around.
02-12-09, 01:44 PM
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To hell with the stop or I'll shoot crap. If my life was in danger and I had a gun there would be no warning. I'd just pull the gun and start firing at the closest attacker, then the next and so on. I bet the rest of the little punk *******s scatter like roaches when the light comes on after they see their friends get shot.
How ever if I did give warning the scene from the movie Tombstone comes to mind. Where Wyatt Earp, played by Curt Russel is trying to take one of the cowboy gang in because he shot and killed the Marshall when he was handing over his gun. Ike said to turn him loose with the rest of the gang waiting to rush Wyatt. Wyatt puts the gun right to Ike's head and says "You die first get it?" "Your Friends may get me in a rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe!" Ike then wisely tells the gang to back down, but one of them says he's bluffing, to which Ike says no he's not, he'll kill me.
I kind of picture something like that IF I gave warning. I'd find the closest attacker, after I pull the gun out, put it to his head, none of this 3' away crap, I mean right at his head, and say everyone else may get me in a rush but not before I kill you. Then I'd point it at the next closest person and say you're next. Then I'd ask, ok who wants to rush me first?
How ever if I did give warning the scene from the movie Tombstone comes to mind. Where Wyatt Earp, played by Curt Russel is trying to take one of the cowboy gang in because he shot and killed the Marshall when he was handing over his gun. Ike said to turn him loose with the rest of the gang waiting to rush Wyatt. Wyatt puts the gun right to Ike's head and says "You die first get it?" "Your Friends may get me in a rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe!" Ike then wisely tells the gang to back down, but one of them says he's bluffing, to which Ike says no he's not, he'll kill me.
I kind of picture something like that IF I gave warning. I'd find the closest attacker, after I pull the gun out, put it to his head, none of this 3' away crap, I mean right at his head, and say everyone else may get me in a rush but not before I kill you. Then I'd point it at the next closest person and say you're next. Then I'd ask, ok who wants to rush me first?
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02-12-09, 01:50 PM
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I'm not some pacifist. This ambiguity is why I like non-fatal kinds of weapons, like pepper spray. Feeling at all threatened I wouldn't hesitate to pull it out and start spraying. I'd rather face the consequences of accidentally dousing some choir master with pepper spray, then shooting him.
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02-12-09, 02:01 PM
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How many of these K-zoo D-bags are going to take advantage of the free schoolin'? 40-50, that's a mad swarm of people, I hope the courts are hella hard on anyone they catch. Start by reneging on The Promise™, D-Bags like that don't deserve a free education.
02-12-09, 02:20 PM
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02-12-09, 05:37 PM
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Obviously once you're totally surrounded your position is compromised. I doubt it began that way though, but I'm only speculating like you.
02-12-09, 08:22 PM
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Article here: https://www.mlive.com/kzgazette/front...s/thursday.pdf
These guys should share a cell with Bernie Madoff, the Peanut Corporaion of America CEO, and George W.. Scumbags all!
These guys should share a cell with Bernie Madoff, the Peanut Corporaion of America CEO, and George W.. Scumbags all!
02-12-09, 10:26 PM
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It IS a dangerous area.
I don't think that concealed pistols are the answer, I think openly carried pistols are the answer. I am part of Michigan Open Carry (MOC) and ironically, we are actually planning a southwest Michigan open carry ride in the spring. The nation wide open carry site we formed on has had members mere presence with their sidearms out in the open prevent crimes. Most notably a bank robbery where a masked gunman ran in, saw the open carrier, and ran for it without saying a word.
1 punch can kill. 40 or 50 assailants, even if unarmed, multiply those odds 40 or 50 times. Given the distinct possibility of death anyway, the best hope someone under attack has is to start shooting, and if nothing else hope that if he or she dies the score will be like 15-1. But in truth, the odds that the assailants would run for it aren't bad. As this video demonstrates, even hardened criminals with heavy weapons don't want to die for what they are trying to steal. That would probably be even more true of a mere bike.
https://www.kvoa.com/global/video/fla...o&rnd=94903678
I don't think that concealed pistols are the answer, I think openly carried pistols are the answer. I am part of Michigan Open Carry (MOC) and ironically, we are actually planning a southwest Michigan open carry ride in the spring. The nation wide open carry site we formed on has had members mere presence with their sidearms out in the open prevent crimes. Most notably a bank robbery where a masked gunman ran in, saw the open carrier, and ran for it without saying a word.
1 punch can kill. 40 or 50 assailants, even if unarmed, multiply those odds 40 or 50 times. Given the distinct possibility of death anyway, the best hope someone under attack has is to start shooting, and if nothing else hope that if he or she dies the score will be like 15-1. But in truth, the odds that the assailants would run for it aren't bad. As this video demonstrates, even hardened criminals with heavy weapons don't want to die for what they are trying to steal. That would probably be even more true of a mere bike.
https://www.kvoa.com/global/video/fla...o&rnd=94903678
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02-12-09, 11:06 PM
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I believe there is an online petition to restore open carry rights to Florida.
02-13-09, 01:14 AM
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02-13-09, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BicycleGuy
HAH! An Aussie Ostrich! .
(ok, I admit it isn't a real ostrich. Being bright pink with some guy's hand shoved up you sorta rules it out!)
02-13-09, 07:26 AM
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More information: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...,1275263.story
The victim lived in the neighborhood and was developmentally challenged.
The crowd consisted of 40-50 youths, only a fraction of the group participated in the assault.
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The victim lived in the neighborhood and was developmentally challenged.
The crowd consisted of 40-50 youths, only a fraction of the group participated in the assault.
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02-13-09, 01:20 PM
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seriously, some stone cold bangers in that group O cowards