Motorist Messes with the Wrong Cyclist-Arrested for Attempted Assault of Off Duty Cop
03-25-11, 03:00 PM
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I got asked by a city engineer to be part of a group giving advice on local cycling and pedestrian issues as part of some grant the city obtained. I know the police chief and some of the officers from past involvement in city festivals and events etc... and have mentioned some issues in the past. I'm hoping good things will come of it, but have seen enough of the inevitable short sighted political bs to know to be wary.
03-25-11, 05:07 PM
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I got asked by a city engineer to be part of a group giving advice on local cycling and pedestrian issues as part of some grant the city obtained. I know the police chief and some of the officers from past involvement in city festivals and events etc... and have mentioned some issues in the past. I'm hoping good things will come of it, but have seen enough of the inevitable short sighted political bs to know to be wary.
03-25-11, 07:01 PM
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On my commute, I've had to file complaints on two officers who have right or left hooked me.
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03-26-11, 09:13 AM
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A Portland Police Bureau Sergeant who was riding his bike into work yesterday morning was involved in an altercation with a man driving a car that has resulted in the driver being arrested for hit and run and attempted assault.
Busted!
Larry Fornshell's booking photo
Full Story: https://bikeportland.org/2011/03/23/o...nto-work-50107
The cops do tend to look out for their own....
Busted!
Larry Fornshell's booking photo
Full Story: https://bikeportland.org/2011/03/23/o...nto-work-50107
The cops do tend to look out for their own....
03-26-11, 02:14 PM
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I'm actually torn over this story. I'm glad this guy was caught and will face charges.
However I wish the off duty cop would have to go through the same hoops regular cyclist have to go through to prove what happened.
However I wish the off duty cop would have to go through the same hoops regular cyclist have to go through to prove what happened.
03-26-11, 02:36 PM
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Yeah too bad this sort of arrest will only happen if you just happen to be one of the boys in blue.
Although perhaps you can prevent harassment if you wear a shirt that says:
Support
Your
Local
POLICE
Your
Local
POLICE
03-26-11, 03:22 PM
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Might have to give it a go again, it was too much fun.
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Although a t-shirt or reflecive vest should be legal to ride with such a logo. I've also heard of purposely misspelling it to POLITE or something similar.
03-26-11, 06:55 PM
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Support Your Local
SHERIFF
in white or yellow letters, on the back of a black or dark blue t shirt and the same thing on the right breast on front with a line art of James Garner or a small copy of a movie poster...
But then what would you do if someone ran up to you looking for help thinking you were a member of local law enforcement?
As to the guy mentioned with Police Stickers on his bike, Smith and Wesson Offered a bike for a few years that had the same stickers on it...
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03-27-11, 12:31 AM
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Then you help them, just as fast and fully as you can. There's not much a cop can do in the way of emergency aid that you can't; it's mostly common sense. Mark you, I wouldn't want to try arresting a drug cartel on my own without backup.
03-27-11, 06:14 AM
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I find that I get the SHERIFF force field effect to some extent just wearing a reflective vest. People give me a lot more room.
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03-27-11, 12:37 PM
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Three other cyclists and I were returning from a winter (rain) ride along a bike path that had several mid-block crossings of non-arterial streets. At each of these crossings all the motorists were stopping and yielding to us in spite of the fact that they had the right-of-way. I obviously can't be certain, but I think it is because all four of us were wearing bright yellow ANSI class 3 reflective jackets. I think they thought we were some sort of official.
03-28-11, 02:08 AM
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But then what would you do if someone ran up to you looking for help thinking you were a member of local law enforcement?
My favorite is getting a reflective vest/jacket stenciled with "OFFICIAL". Looks close enough to an "OFFICER" safety vest (or even the word "OFFICIAL" itself might be enough to give pause), but different enough that I don't think you can really be accused of impersonating an officer.
03-28-11, 06:21 AM
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Three other cyclists and I were returning from a winter (rain) ride along a bike path that had several mid-block crossings of non-arterial streets. At each of these crossings all the motorists were stopping and yielding to us in spite of the fact that they had the right-of-way. I obviously can't be certain, but I think it is because all four of us were wearing bright yellow ANSI class 3 reflective jackets. I think they thought we were some sort of official.
03-28-11, 07:41 AM
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The sad thing is that as some of the comments had said is that if Mr. Santos was a civilian instead of cop that probably nothing or next to nothing would have been done to the driver. And that the cyclist is the one who would have been cited for slapping the car.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
In cases like this it shouldn't matter who the cyclist is, all that should matter is that a cyclist was assaulted. Either with the drivers vehicle as a weapon, or by the driver. If it's assault it's assault no matter who the victim is.
(in this case, a cop on a bike is a station wagon full of nuns)
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03-28-11, 07:49 AM
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So, guys, having been LEO let me give you the skinny.
Do you know why most suburban and even a lot of urban LE agencies fixate on traffic? It's by and large the number one complaint from citizens. So all these, "why are you writing me a ticket, go catch a ******" comments could honestly be followed by, "because we work for the citizens of X town/X county and they tell us they want something done about the no goodnicks and hoodlums racing down their streets and 105 miles an hour".
Most people don't really take the time to realize that law enforcement is customer service and the customer is the tax payer of their jurisdiction. For the agency I had worked for the Chief went to every community meeting planned with the Community Relations Officer. Cops have bosses too and the chain of command doesn't stop at Chief or Sheriff. It usually stops at council/mayor/governor, you know, the people who depend on you for votes.
I'd recommend that if you honestly wanted some sort of LE/cyclist partnership, that you be proactive and exert the effort to start brokering that kind of relationship. Get the community involved.
Do you know why most suburban and even a lot of urban LE agencies fixate on traffic? It's by and large the number one complaint from citizens. So all these, "why are you writing me a ticket, go catch a ******" comments could honestly be followed by, "because we work for the citizens of X town/X county and they tell us they want something done about the no goodnicks and hoodlums racing down their streets and 105 miles an hour".
Most people don't really take the time to realize that law enforcement is customer service and the customer is the tax payer of their jurisdiction. For the agency I had worked for the Chief went to every community meeting planned with the Community Relations Officer. Cops have bosses too and the chain of command doesn't stop at Chief or Sheriff. It usually stops at council/mayor/governor, you know, the people who depend on you for votes.
I'd recommend that if you honestly wanted some sort of LE/cyclist partnership, that you be proactive and exert the effort to start brokering that kind of relationship. Get the community involved.
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03-28-11, 08:15 AM
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No, as a former LEO and a former elected commissioner...the bottom line is revenue, not customer service. The biggest complaint I've heard from citizens over the years is "why are our cops running radar on the freeways when they could be patrolling our neighborhoods?"...and the answer is revenue...period.
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Tell them you aren't a cop?
My favorite is getting a reflective vest/jacket stenciled with "OFFICIAL". Looks close enough to an "OFFICER" safety vest (or even the word "OFFICIAL" itself might be enough to give pause), but different enough that I don't think you can really be accused of impersonating an officer.
My favorite is getting a reflective vest/jacket stenciled with "OFFICIAL". Looks close enough to an "OFFICER" safety vest (or even the word "OFFICIAL" itself might be enough to give pause), but different enough that I don't think you can really be accused of impersonating an officer.
I still like the Sheriff Shirt Idea or the safety vest with Official on it too...
03-28-11, 08:55 AM
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Fine, then run radar/traffic on the arterials, where the public you actually work for gains the most benefit, rather than on the limited access freeways where the government gains the most revenue benefit. Most of these limited access highways are state or federal highways anyway..so let the state and the feds handle those...even if it means you don't get in on all that good drug revenue.
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I'd rather see the road filled with cute gals...not freds.
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