My Crime? Riding A Bicycle On A Public Street.
05-13-12, 07:44 AM
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Our OP has been holding out on us-THIS is why the 3 cars !
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars.
mocolotion is on the right track- but our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars.
mocolotion is on the right track- but our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
It's almost as if you are saying there would be value to hearing the cops side of the story before piling on a bandwagon.
BTW most people who practice Aikido are very mellow, non-confrontational people. I would be less worried knowing that going into the encounter.
05-13-12, 07:46 AM
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Settle down there, Thomas Paine. We're talking about a nerd on a tricycle, not some sort of freedom fighter. Throughout his descriptions of the encounters he's had with the police the OP has taken a very strong holier-than-thou tone, and if you don't think cops are going to react to that then I think you're naive. We're now heard of two separate instances of the police making a determination that the OP was either a hazard or a nuisance to traffic and the only common denominator here is the OP. I'd say the problem lies more with the OP's behavior and attitude than it does with any sort of erosion of Constitutional freedoms.
I said it in my first post and I'll say it again: get a flag, get a blinking tail light, ride FRAP, and I'll add wear something reflective if you decide to walk on the roadway at night.
I said it in my first post and I'll say it again: get a flag, get a blinking tail light, ride FRAP, and I'll add wear something reflective if you decide to walk on the roadway at night.
It has been suggested that the second, walking incident arose from the first. Does anyone on this forum really think that if you anoy a CT cop, he will provide a description/photo of the OP to his fellow LEOs and they will then recognise him and harass him as a result?
In the Land of the Free? Or are your rights under your famed Constitution something which you should ignore when a police officer decides to exceed his powers and you should then try to placate him by saying yes sir, no sir?
05-13-12, 08:00 AM
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[QUOTE=phoebeisis;14216680]Our OP has been holding out on us-THIS is why the 3 cars !
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
2 Assumptions. (i) that they looked up information other than any criminal record (2) that the possession of Aikido qualifications automatically made him a threat.
If that were the case, they wouldn't have drawn up behind the original cruiser, but surrounded the OP
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-
Since when does being possessed of Aikido experience make you anything other than "a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor"
If they are familiar withthe martial arts, they would know that Aikido is pretty much a defensive form. He would not therefore be regarded as threatening.
Assumptions again. I did Judo many, many years ago and none of us were preparing for battles which we intended to bring on. As for the "mongoose" lawyer wife epithet, what evidence do you have for this? How many forumers here would not call on their legally qualified spouse who happened to be nearby if they were being harassed by a cop who clearly didn't know the law? Especially a cop who behaved in a threatening and ill-tempered manner towards her
Assumptions again: what evidence do you have for the reasons you've given for the police to depart? And why, again, the derogatory description of his relationship with his wife?
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
If that were the case, they wouldn't have drawn up behind the original cruiser, but surrounded the OP
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-
certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars. mocolotion is on the right track-
our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
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The cop invented the hazard in the first instance, i.e. the requirement (legally non-existent) to attach a flag. In the second case, the officer didn't, according to the OP, even mention him being a nuisance to traffic, but demanded to know where he was walking to. Are you seriously proposing that an adult, walking on the highway, provides de facto grounds for stoppng and questioning him?
It has been suggested that the second, walking incident arose from the first. Does anyone on this forum really think that if you anoy a CT cop, he will provide a description/photo of the OP to his fellow LEOs and they will then recognise him and harass him as a result?
In the Land of the Free? Or are your rights under your famed Constitution something which you should ignore when a police officer decides to exceed his powers and you should then try to placate him by saying yes sir, no sir?
It has been suggested that the second, walking incident arose from the first. Does anyone on this forum really think that if you anoy a CT cop, he will provide a description/photo of the OP to his fellow LEOs and they will then recognise him and harass him as a result?
In the Land of the Free? Or are your rights under your famed Constitution something which you should ignore when a police officer decides to exceed his powers and you should then try to placate him by saying yes sir, no sir?
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I have no issue whatsoever placating a cop. The odds are stacked heavily against things working out well for me in side of the road pissing contests with cops.
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Ever heard the saying "Is this the hill you want to die on?", or "Pick your battles"? Not everything needs to be a principled battle. If you want to do that, that's perfectly fine and there are perfectly legitimate reasons for that. But, as I said, your goals may not be my goals. I do have hills I am willing to die on... as I noted, consenting to searches is one. But when I'm just trying to get on with my life, if I don't feel there are any consequences to doing so, I will waive my rights to get on with things. Should or should not isn't the question, the question is what you want out of the encounter.
EDIT: Basically, I think what you are saying is akin to saying "Because we all have the right to bear arms, we should all own a gun", which I find to be ludicrous, just as much as the argument why. One can hold the 2nd amendment dear and fight for that right without ever actually exercising it; I do.
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Our OP has been holding out on us-THIS is why the 3 cars !
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars.
mocolotion is on the right track- but our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars.
mocolotion is on the right track- but our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
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"As a younger man, I wouldn’t have had the presence of mind to not get in a fight with the cop. With this Lt. Powderkeg, that would have been a trip to the station and then probably a trip to the dentist to replace the missing teeth."
The above are the OP's words-as a young man-adult-he actually suggests he would get into a fight with a cop!!!!
I'm not making this up-these are HIS words!!
ATBMAN- you asked "Since when does being possessed of Aikido experience make you anything other than "a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor"
The answer is when you say " As a younger man, I wouldn’t have had the presence of mind to not get in a fight with the cop."
Any of you out their think his encounters with the LEO's were worth a fight> arrest-jail-injury-death?
By middle age most adults have figured out how to avoid antagonizing armed angry steroid fueled adults with arrest powers.
Paul Barnard-yes most are mild mannered- OP by his own words not so much.
And yes I would not be surprised to find out cop#1 passed the word on-
Litchfield (sic)smallish city-OP prominent citizen-he is probably widely known .
Maybe the OP was exaggerating when he said he would have fought the cop when he was a younger man- in real life-he probably always had better sense than that.
The above are the OP's words-as a young man-adult-he actually suggests he would get into a fight with a cop!!!!
I'm not making this up-these are HIS words!!
ATBMAN- you asked "Since when does being possessed of Aikido experience make you anything other than "a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor"
The answer is when you say " As a younger man, I wouldn’t have had the presence of mind to not get in a fight with the cop."
Any of you out their think his encounters with the LEO's were worth a fight> arrest-jail-injury-death?
By middle age most adults have figured out how to avoid antagonizing armed angry steroid fueled adults with arrest powers.
Paul Barnard-yes most are mild mannered- OP by his own words not so much.
And yes I would not be surprised to find out cop#1 passed the word on-
Litchfield (sic)smallish city-OP prominent citizen-he is probably widely known .
Maybe the OP was exaggerating when he said he would have fought the cop when he was a younger man- in real life-he probably always had better sense than that.
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Again, it depends. If your goal is to make a point or to show an authority figure that you have/know your rights, then no. If your goal is to get home and check on the pot roast in the slow cooker so you can get dinner on the table in time for the kids getting home from school, probably yes, it is easier and faster to smile and nod and move on.
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I think the point is, it depends on what you want to walk away from the encounter with. You certainly have every right to "flex your rights" and send a message. But if the goal in mind is simply to get the encounter over with as quickly as possible with minimal time/effort/money wasted, that probably isn't always the way to go.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'll draw lines. If a cop asks me if he can search my vehicle, it is always a firm "No, sorry. It's nothing personal, I just never consent to searches". And I'm willing to put up with any crap that causes in that case because I've seen far too many people get busted on stuff that wasn't even their fault from that (one guy lent his car to a friend the month before, and he left a roach under the seat and forgot about it. The owner consents to a search at a traffic stop later, cop finds it, guess who gets busted.) But if a cop just asks me what I'm doing, I'm OK waiving my rights in this situation to answer and play along. We all have different things we are comfortable doing, and it is a personal choice if you want to flex your rights or if you choose to waive them. The important thing is that you know the consequences (anything you say can be used against you, blah, blah, blah).
I'd also note whoever said it earlier was wise in noting that when cops pull you over for BS, the longer that encounter goes the higher the chance they will either find a ticketable offense or trick you into incriminating yourself/giving probable cause. Often times, getting the encounter over with is wise.
Again, I don't think this is a case where you should do A or B necessarily, just that doing A or B will give you different outcomes. Depends what you want out of it. Personally, I just want to go home and don't want to mess with it. I'll waive what rights I am comfortable waiving to speed things up so I can get home (and possibly call to file a complaint if I feel there was unprofessional behavior). If you or anyone else isn't, that's OK, but I don't think anyone has a civic duty to push the envelope with their rights at every opportunity.
$.02.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'll draw lines. If a cop asks me if he can search my vehicle, it is always a firm "No, sorry. It's nothing personal, I just never consent to searches". And I'm willing to put up with any crap that causes in that case because I've seen far too many people get busted on stuff that wasn't even their fault from that (one guy lent his car to a friend the month before, and he left a roach under the seat and forgot about it. The owner consents to a search at a traffic stop later, cop finds it, guess who gets busted.) But if a cop just asks me what I'm doing, I'm OK waiving my rights in this situation to answer and play along. We all have different things we are comfortable doing, and it is a personal choice if you want to flex your rights or if you choose to waive them. The important thing is that you know the consequences (anything you say can be used against you, blah, blah, blah).
I'd also note whoever said it earlier was wise in noting that when cops pull you over for BS, the longer that encounter goes the higher the chance they will either find a ticketable offense or trick you into incriminating yourself/giving probable cause. Often times, getting the encounter over with is wise.
Again, I don't think this is a case where you should do A or B necessarily, just that doing A or B will give you different outcomes. Depends what you want out of it. Personally, I just want to go home and don't want to mess with it. I'll waive what rights I am comfortable waiving to speed things up so I can get home (and possibly call to file a complaint if I feel there was unprofessional behavior). If you or anyone else isn't, that's OK, but I don't think anyone has a civic duty to push the envelope with their rights at every opportunity.
$.02.
And like you I am surprised at the number of people who fall for the cops line "if you don't have anything to hide then let us search your car/bike/person or whatever. Only to as you've pointed out have something found in their car that they either didn't know about or had "forgot" that they had in the car.
Also as I've said (I think you posted in some of those threads) there have been a number of threads on our rights. And sadly there are those who seem to think that by standing up for our Fourth Amendment right and not allowing the cops to search our car/bike/person that we are somehow "giving" them the probable cause to do so. As well as those threads containing links to various YouTube videos that were made by lawyers. That make it clear (at least to me) that if one is driving a car and are pulled over by a cop. And are instructed to get out of said car that closing and locking the doors removes any potential threat, real or perceived by the cop. Thus they still do not have any probable cause to conduct a search.
As if the car doors are not only closed, but locked then anything inside the car can not pose any "threat" to the cop.
I had a friend who told me that while he was in the Air Force he lent his car to a friend. After getting it back he approached the SP's about having it searched so that if his friend left anything behind it could be found and he not charged with it. He was told that if they did conduct a search and found anything that he would be charged with whatever was found.
You (even though my post wasn't directed at you) didn't answer my last question. You're sitting at home in your own yard enjoying a nice cold beverage. A cop who is driving by sees you and decides to stop and ask you what you're doing and why. Are you just going to blithfully answer his/her questions or are you going to tell them to go pound sand?
Also just how much of our freedoms/rights should we be willing to surrender to avoid the loss of time/money/effort?
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So just what crime do you think that the OP might have committed? He was the victim of someone trying to run him over. Is that a crime? (If what the OP said is true/accurate) He committed no crime but was in fact the victim of a crime.
Whatever crime he may or may not have committed in the second encounter is even less clear. Does it really require a cop who is making a traffic stop, to call in back up just to check a person's ID?
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The beauty of our rights is that we can use them if we want to use them and not use them if we don't need to. Constitutionally speaking I could do the Westboro Baptist Church thing. I don't.
I have no issue whatsoever placating a cop. The odds are stacked heavily against things working out well for me in side of the road pissing contests with cops.
I have no issue whatsoever placating a cop. The odds are stacked heavily against things working out well for me in side of the road pissing contests with cops.
The "Dirty Lyle" type cops NEED to be reigned in.
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"As a younger man, I wouldn’t have had the presence of mind to not get in a fight with the cop. With this Lt. Powderkeg, that would have been a trip to the station and then probably a trip to the dentist to replace the missing teeth."
The above are the OP's words-as a young man-adult-he actually suggests he would get into a fight with a cop!!!!
I'm not making this up-these are HIS words!!
ATBMAN- you asked "Since when does being possessed of Aikido experience make you anything other than "a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor"
The answer is when you say " As a younger man, I wouldn’t have had the presence of mind to not get in a fight with the cop."
Any of you out their think his encounters with the LEO's were worth a fight> arrest-jail-injury-death?
By middle age most adults have figured out how to avoid antagonizing armed angry steroid fueled adults with arrest powers.
Paul Barnard-yes most are mild mannered- OP by his own words not so much.
And yes I would not be surprised to find out cop#1 passed the word on-
Litchfield (sic)smallish city-OP prominent citizen-he is probably widely known .
The above are the OP's words-as a young man-adult-he actually suggests he would get into a fight with a cop!!!!
I'm not making this up-these are HIS words!!
ATBMAN- you asked "Since when does being possessed of Aikido experience make you anything other than "a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor"
The answer is when you say " As a younger man, I wouldn’t have had the presence of mind to not get in a fight with the cop."
Any of you out their think his encounters with the LEO's were worth a fight> arrest-jail-injury-death?
By middle age most adults have figured out how to avoid antagonizing armed angry steroid fueled adults with arrest powers.
Paul Barnard-yes most are mild mannered- OP by his own words not so much.
And yes I would not be surprised to find out cop#1 passed the word on-
Litchfield (sic)smallish city-OP prominent citizen-he is probably widely known .
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I don't believe the OP's story on incident #1.
It doesn't make any sense- not as he tells it.
OP is demonstrably an unreliable historian-(the misleading sign he posted and the "why" of the 4 cop cars)
It doesn't make any sense- not as he tells it.
OP is demonstrably an unreliable historian-(the misleading sign he posted and the "why" of the 4 cop cars)
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As long as you realise that it's all these little "go along to get along" choices which eventually erode any semblance of Constitutionally protected rights.
In this case it seems to have worked out OK for the OP. But IF the cops he encountered were the world class jerks he has painted them to be, he may have made himself a marked man. There are very few ventures I take where I don't break some kind of law. I wouldn't want any extra scrutiny. Complaints to supervisors through the proper channels become a part of the record. If the supervisor is a decent guy, and I truly believe MOST are, then he'll talk to the subordinate and certainly warn the subordinate not to become vindictive.
In quick summary, generally speaking.
Roadside dispute: High risk vs low gain
Formal complaint: Low risk vs potentially high gain.
For the record, I am a retired federal LEO and also did some work as a reserve deputy.
05-13-12, 05:16 PM
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I also fly a Jackstaff on my bent because of the history of this particular Jackstaff and it's message -
It is not on the bent for safety. Nor is the MIA Ribbon displayed on my commute bike there for safety.
I also fly a Jackstaff on my bent because of the history of this particular Jackstaff and it's message -
It is not on the bent for safety. Nor is the MIA Ribbon displayed on my commute bike there for safety.
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Maybe the Martial Arts did mellow him-but don't think he has reached Nirvana just yet..
And yes I would be dollars to donuts the cops have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TAKE on these episodes.
Episode #1 is just unbelievable as OP tells it.
I am not a fan of cops-their work corrupts them-they become jerks(NOLA). But they don't go out of their way to harass pudgy middle aged white guys.
Riding in NOLA since 1968-never been stopped or talked to by a cop-and our cops are BAD.Litchfield Conn must be rough!
Paul Barnard-they probably start their careers as decent people-but after a few years in not so much any more-probably inevitable in violent cities. You are a retired LEO-even if you don't tell them-cops read your copness-and treat you differently(better).
Of course your advice is good-antagonizing a cop on the side of a road is just childish-
Rule of thumb-don't get in situations that require you be rescued from the side of a road by a lawyer-always expensive time/money. Yeah he gets the family discount-I hope.
And yes I would be dollars to donuts the cops have a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TAKE on these episodes.
Episode #1 is just unbelievable as OP tells it.
I am not a fan of cops-their work corrupts them-they become jerks(NOLA). But they don't go out of their way to harass pudgy middle aged white guys.
Riding in NOLA since 1968-never been stopped or talked to by a cop-and our cops are BAD.Litchfield Conn must be rough!
Paul Barnard-they probably start their careers as decent people-but after a few years in not so much any more-probably inevitable in violent cities. You are a retired LEO-even if you don't tell them-cops read your copness-and treat you differently(better).
Of course your advice is good-antagonizing a cop on the side of a road is just childish-
Rule of thumb-don't get in situations that require you be rescued from the side of a road by a lawyer-always expensive time/money. Yeah he gets the family discount-I hope.
05-13-12, 06:42 PM
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having been arrested for jaywalking I know a little something about bad cops. when I was 18 I had two cars with problematic taillights and as a result in one calendar month I was pulled over 30 times, sometimes twice a day. maybe the only thing I learned was let the cops do their job. whether that be give you a citation or lecture or both. LEO may think they're the man, they are not. the man wears a black robe and may be a woman. save your breathe for the man. the LEO is the person who introduces you to the man and the less you can do to become memorable to the LEO the better.
for whatever reason the OP has become memorable to the LEO and in a small berg with little to do, that ain't good.
for whatever reason the OP has become memorable to the LEO and in a small berg with little to do, that ain't good.
05-13-12, 08:08 PM
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To a hammer, the whole world is full of nails. What do you think the whole world looks like to a cop?
I don't know what has happened to law enforcement over the past 30 years or so in America. It seems like LEOs have gotten a lot more aggressive and contemptuous towards the citizens they are sworn to serve.
I don't know what has happened to law enforcement over the past 30 years or so in America. It seems like LEOs have gotten a lot more aggressive and contemptuous towards the citizens they are sworn to serve.
05-13-12, 08:37 PM
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Our OP has been holding out on us-THIS is why the 3 cars !
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars.
mocolotion is on the right track- but our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
"A long-time student of the martial art of Aikido, Dr. Jenkins has received his shodan rank from the United States Aikido Federation. He trains at the Litchfield Hills Aikikai, under the direction of Laura Pavlick Sensei."
Cop 2-and maybe Cop 1 would have known ALL this since it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it.He would have set off Cop #1's jerkometer-Cop #1 passes this on to guys at station.
Yeah-they would have read him in about 2 seconds.
According to Bekologist OP was deceptive in the original blog-(posting the sign from another state)
AND-certainly a bit deceptive when he implied he was a mild mannered unthreatening Chiropractor-not requiring 3 cars. Left out the 1000's hours of martial arts.
Many cops participate in Martial Arts-so they will be very familiar with their fellow martial arts types-hence 3 cars.
mocolotion is on the right track- but our Walter Mitty has actually been PREPARING for these battles he brings on-martial arts training-and mongoose lawyer wife to bail him out.
Once the cops realized he was a talker not a fighter ( mommy arrived)-they left.Now that they know this they will leave him alone.
So.. they pulled him over because he was riding while flagless (RWF), the LT flipped out because the guy didn't volunteer his life story, so he goes back to the car, pulls up the dude's information on his computer, craps his pants when he sees this dude is an aikido black belt and calls for everybody "I SAID EVERYBODY!!" to come and help. Oh yeah, and since he read the blog he knows this guy once posted a picture on there that didn't fully match what he was blogging about (HOLY **** that's never happened before), so therefore he must be lying about everything else as well. And later, forehead vein throbbing at 120 bpm, LT lets the aikido chiropractor go when he declines to use his combat skills on three cars full of cops (some of the cops surreptitiously peeling off when they realize their beloved Lt. may have over dramatized the situation.)
Hm, yeah that is possible.
It's also possible, and probably much more likely, that the Lt.'s colleagues have given him a secret nickname along the lines of Drama Mama or Dip**** and snicker at him when they hear his voice come over the radio asking for backup.
05-13-12, 10:01 PM
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I see Bek has already modified his post that claimed the OP used a sign from another state.
Bek knows full well that the Bicycles May Use Full Lane Sign is currently in the guide intended for all states use (Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD)) and CT can use such sign. Yet Bek implies the sign is only intended for use in some other state.
Can Bek show a CT law that expressly prohibits the use of the sign?
Who is really being dishonest here, Bek or the OP?
https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/p...tm#section9B06
Once again Bek goes on and on about his wrong interpretations of state laws in his effort to limit cyclist rights.
Bek knows full well that the Bicycles May Use Full Lane Sign is currently in the guide intended for all states use (Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD)) and CT can use such sign. Yet Bek implies the sign is only intended for use in some other state.
Can Bek show a CT law that expressly prohibits the use of the sign?
Who is really being dishonest here, Bek or the OP?
https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/p...tm#section9B06
Section 9B.06 Bicycles May Use Full Lane Sign (R4-11)
Option:
01 The Bicycles May Use Full Lane (R4-11) sign (see Figure 9B-2) may be used on roadways where no bicycle lanes or adjacent shoulders usable by bicyclists are present and where travel lanes are too narrow for bicyclists and motor vehicles to operate side by side.
02 The Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign may be used in locations where it is important to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
Option:
01 The Bicycles May Use Full Lane (R4-11) sign (see Figure 9B-2) may be used on roadways where no bicycle lanes or adjacent shoulders usable by bicyclists are present and where travel lanes are too narrow for bicyclists and motor vehicles to operate side by side.
02 The Bicycles May Use Full Lane sign may be used in locations where it is important to inform road users that bicyclists might occupy the travel lane.
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The operative term is "may be used"...
I think states can decide whether to use them within their own state, but don't have to, IF they make laws restricting "full use" of lanes. (on non-federally funded roads).
I don't think (from reading an earlier post) that CT has a "may use full on substantial width lane" statute on their books.
I think states can decide whether to use them within their own state, but don't have to, IF they make laws restricting "full use" of lanes. (on non-federally funded roads).
I don't think (from reading an earlier post) that CT has a "may use full on substantial width lane" statute on their books.
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05-14-12, 04:16 AM
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As long as you realise that it's all these little "go along to get along" choices which eventually erode any semblance of Constitutionally protected rights.
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