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Old 02-08-10, 08:57 PM
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Wheel dishing WAY WAY off

I've had a couple bikes in the recent past that had the craziest problem: The wheels were true in a circular sense but the dishing way way off, like a consistent 10 mm. all the way around. I eventually got them true but it baffled me.

These were old bikes and the only explanation I could think of is they were lying on their sides or tilted up against something for many years.

Any better ideas?
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Originally Posted by Raleigh71
I've had a couple bikes in the recent past that had the craziest problem: The wheels were true in a circular sense but the dishing way way off, like a consistent 10 mm. all the way around. I eventually got them true but it baffled me.

These were old bikes and the only explanation I could think of is they were lying on their sides or tilted up against something for many years.

Any better ideas?
Leaning a wheel against something or having it tilted doesn't change the dish. Some phenomenon would've have to tighten all the spokes on one side and loosen all the ones on the other - nothing will do that. More than likely you're either not measuring the dish correctly or the wheel was never built properly - or off dish for some other reasonn.
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I'm thinking that sometime in the past the freewheel and axle spacers were changed for some reason.
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Originally Posted by Raleigh71
I've had a couple bikes in the recent past that had the craziest problem: The wheels were true in a circular sense but the dishing way way off, like a consistent 10 mm. all the way around. I eventually got them true but it baffled me.

These were old bikes and the only explanation I could think of is they were lying on their sides or tilted up against something for many years.

Any better ideas?
How were you checking the dish?
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I checked the dish on my trusty Park TS-2 truing stand.

I thought it was so crazy that I flipped the wheel over and voila, the dish was just as bad but reversed .

When I trued it up, the spokes on the "need tighten" sides wern't particularly loose, and those on the "need loosen" wern't particularly tight.

I like the idea of some kind of spacer having been present once.
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And when the wheels were done, they sat in the middle of the dropouts and/or fork.
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Sounds like Retro Grouch hit it on the head.
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Or maybe as operator said they just weren't dished right to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Raleigh71
I checked the dish on my trusty Park TS-2 truing stand.
A slightly bent axle can throw off the perceived dish if measuring it in the stand. Did you check with a dishing gauge to verify?
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I had a similar problem on a rear wheel back in the early 90's that came on my Bridgestone MB2. On a normal rear wheel the spokes on the cassette side are shorter than the spokes on the non cassette side. In the case of this wheel they were reversed causing the dish to be way off. I did a rebuild with the same spokes on the proper sides and it dished up perfectly.
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Originally Posted by stevemtbr
I had a similar problem on a rear wheel back in the early 90's that came on my Bridgestone MB2. On a normal rear wheel the spokes on the cassette side are shorter than the spokes on the non cassette side. In the case of this wheel they were reversed causing the dish to be way off. I did a rebuild with the same spokes on the proper sides and it dished up perfectly.
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My guess goes along with RG. These wheels were used as fixed gear rears.
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Originally Posted by well biked
Or maybe as operator said they just weren't dished right to begin with.
Yeah, but 10mm is almost half an inch. That's a lot to be off by accident.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Yeah, but 10mm is almost half an inch. That's a lot to be off by accident.
Accidents and Ignorance leave similar but distinct flaws.

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Originally Posted by cnnrmccloskey
Accidents and Ignorance leave similar but distinct flaws. does the OP mean 10mm on each side or 5mm on each side 10 total?
Ignorance??? He said he flipped the wheel on the truing stand and the dish was just as bad but reversed.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Yeah, but 10mm is almost half an inch. That's a lot to be off by accident.
It's a lot to be off by accident, but I've seen the fixie/SS crowd, in a hurry to be trendy, do far worse to rear wheels. They know just enough to really screw things up but not enough to make sure it's done right. Either that or someone misplaced a spacer.
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Originally Posted by cnnrmccloskey
Accidents and Ignorance leave similar but distinct flaws. does the OP mean 10mm on each side or 5mm on each side 10 total?
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There's only 1 number and it's right or left of center.

I'm with RG too. And the TS-2 is not the greatest tool to check dish.
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Did everyone read Bob Barker's reply? To me, that's the only logical answer. A wheel dished improperly by 10mm would likely not even fit between the chain stays properly on most bikes.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
Did everyone read Bob Barker's reply? To me, that's the only logical answer. A wheel dished improperly by 10mm would likely not even fit between the chain stays properly on most bikes.
I think most of us agree with Retro Grouch, including Bob Barker.
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Originally Posted by Al1943
Ignorance??? He said he flipped the wheel on the truing stand and the dish was just as bad but reversed.
Why do you assume I'm saying the person who fixed the problem was ignorant?
I'm saying retrogrouch was probably Have you ever watched someone try and true a wheel without any idea what their doing?
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Yeah, but 10mm is almost half an inch. That's a lot to be off by accident.
Not if you build the wheel on a mis-calibrated truing stand.
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Originally Posted by cnnrmccloskey
Why do you assume I'm saying the person who fixed the problem was ignorant?
I'm saying retrogrouch was probably Have you ever watched someone try and true a wheel without any idea what their doing?
I'm not assuming anything. Your post made no sense.
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Originally Posted by Al1943
I'm not assuming anything. Your posts make no sense.
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