Old Drake ten speed bike
10-31-16, 11:30 AM
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Old Drake ten speed bike
I just came across an old Drake ten speed bike, so far I have been able to find nothing about it. I have seen postings of Drake three speeds but nothing related to the ten speed, I would like to know if put a fresh coat of paint would it kill the value of the bike, I'm not sure if the paint on there now is original or not,but it's pretty ugly.I was intrigued by the headbadge, the $5 price tag was nice too. I'd just like to make sure that it's not a 1 of 5 in existence.The crank has 6-61 made in England stamped on it
10-31-16, 11:56 AM
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On the Quick Reply section below, there's an "Insert Image" button. Use that if you have the images hosted online. Or the manage attachments button if the images are on your PC.
10-31-16, 12:20 PM
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I like that head badge and the "Made in England" part. Post more pics as soon as you have them, especially of the drive side of the bike.
10-31-16, 12:40 PM
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Aren't 26 x 1-3/8 tires typical 3-speed tires and 10-speeds typically 27 x 1-1/4? Maybe it's an early 60's model or something. Does it have drop handle bars?
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Hello Gashepard and welcome to the forum.
Thank you for posting this interesting mount. That is quite a handsome head emblem it wears. Wonder if it may be the Golden Hinde model.
26" wheel "tenspeeds" were common in U.S. chainstores at one time.
Look forward to additional images as you are able to upload them.
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Hello Gashepard and welcome to the forum.
Thank you for posting this interesting mount. That is quite a handsome head emblem it wears. Wonder if it may be the Golden Hinde model.
26" wheel "tenspeeds" were common in U.S. chainstores at one time.
Look forward to additional images as you are able to upload them.
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10-31-16, 01:26 PM
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I have read that the drake bikes were part of Raleigh, but everything is talking about 3-speeds,
Finding nothing about any ten speeds
Finding nothing about any ten speeds
11-09-16, 02:18 PM
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Can anybody tell me if this bike is worth restoring and if so what were the original components
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11-09-16, 03:10 PM
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Is serial 006?
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Is serial 006?
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11-10-16, 08:26 AM
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Thank you for these new images.
Pedals are Phillips Apollo model.
Looks like someone has been at adjustable bottom bracket cup with a punch.
Resilion front wheel likely original; rear wheel not.
Weinmann and Simplex bits appear to be later additions.
Have you found a serial number?
Are shell and steerer threaded 26TPI or 24TPI?
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Thank you for these new images.
Pedals are Phillips Apollo model.
Looks like someone has been at adjustable bottom bracket cup with a punch.
Resilion front wheel likely original; rear wheel not.
Weinmann and Simplex bits appear to be later additions.
Have you found a serial number?
Are shell and steerer threaded 26TPI or 24TPI?
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11-10-16, 05:44 PM
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I'm surprised that you got the NDS BB cup off. Most Raleigh builds have them firmly driven into the thread leads so hard that it usually makes more sense servicing that cup in situ.
11-10-16, 08:17 PM
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Thank you for these new images.
Pedals are Phillips Apollo model.
Looks like someone has been at adjustable bottom bracket cup with a punch.
Resilion front wheel likely original; rear wheel not.
Weinmann and Simplex bits appear to be later additions.
Have you found a serial number?
Are shell and steerer threaded 26TPI or 24TPI?
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Thank you for these new images.
Pedals are Phillips Apollo model.
Looks like someone has been at adjustable bottom bracket cup with a punch.
Resilion front wheel likely original; rear wheel not.
Weinmann and Simplex bits appear to be later additions.
Have you found a serial number?
Are shell and steerer threaded 26TPI or 24TPI?
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11-10-16, 08:23 PM
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marking on barrel of rear hub is a Raleigh one
it depicts Sir Wally about to cast his cape to rescue the lady from the mud puddle
in front of him is a shield bearing the letters R I indicating "Raleigh Industries"
this symbol was employed for several decades and seemed to fall into disuse around 1970
here is a better view on a frame pump handle -
it looks like the rim of the rear wheel is marked "ARAYA MADE IN JAPAN" - this is not something Raleigh would have been using circa 1960 so perhaps the wheel has been rebuilt...
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bar -
note how much narrower is the trail than the top
this is not a normal configuration and usually indicates a deformation
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serial -
its placement on the outer face of the left dropout is one of the spots employed by Raleigh
the format of five numerals followed by two letters is one of the formats employed by Raleigh
the letter N was employed to indicate Nottingham. it is somewhat unclear if the final character is to be taken as an H or as a W. since its sides/verticals taper narrower as they go downward we might take it as a letter W which was used to indicate the Raleigh factory located in Worksop, England. in this serial format the five numerals taken as a whole would indicate the year of manufacture (no code).
https://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html#55
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shift levers -
these appear very slightly later than the 1961-62 date suggested for the cycle by the marking on the Williams chainset. for 1962 this model of Huret shift lever is depicted with a sheet metal shroud below each lever assembly as here on a page from the 1962 edition of the French publication le Cycle -
so either the levers are not original to the bicycle or the bicycle is slightly later than a date of 1961-62
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rear mech -
the Huret Allvit rear derailleur shown could not be original as it is marked "SPRINT" which is a designation employed by Schwinn for some of their Schwinn Approved parts and accessories for a period on the 1960's and 1970's.
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marking on barrel of rear hub is a Raleigh one
it depicts Sir Wally about to cast his cape to rescue the lady from the mud puddle
in front of him is a shield bearing the letters R I indicating "Raleigh Industries"
this symbol was employed for several decades and seemed to fall into disuse around 1970
here is a better view on a frame pump handle -
it looks like the rim of the rear wheel is marked "ARAYA MADE IN JAPAN" - this is not something Raleigh would have been using circa 1960 so perhaps the wheel has been rebuilt...
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bar -
note how much narrower is the trail than the top
this is not a normal configuration and usually indicates a deformation
---
serial -
its placement on the outer face of the left dropout is one of the spots employed by Raleigh
the format of five numerals followed by two letters is one of the formats employed by Raleigh
the letter N was employed to indicate Nottingham. it is somewhat unclear if the final character is to be taken as an H or as a W. since its sides/verticals taper narrower as they go downward we might take it as a letter W which was used to indicate the Raleigh factory located in Worksop, England. in this serial format the five numerals taken as a whole would indicate the year of manufacture (no code).
https://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html#55
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shift levers -
these appear very slightly later than the 1961-62 date suggested for the cycle by the marking on the Williams chainset. for 1962 this model of Huret shift lever is depicted with a sheet metal shroud below each lever assembly as here on a page from the 1962 edition of the French publication le Cycle -
so either the levers are not original to the bicycle or the bicycle is slightly later than a date of 1961-62
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rear mech -
the Huret Allvit rear derailleur shown could not be original as it is marked "SPRINT" which is a designation employed by Schwinn for some of their Schwinn Approved parts and accessories for a period on the 1960's and 1970's.
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Could it be a 3 speed converted to 10???
08-26-20, 05:56 PM
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marking on barrel of rear hub is a Raleigh one
it depicts Sir Wally about to cast his cape to rescue the lady from the mud puddle
in front of him is a shield bearing the letters R I indicating "Raleigh Industries"
this symbol was employed for several decades and seemed to fall into disuse around 1970
here is a better view on a frame pump handle -
it looks like the rim of the rear wheel is marked "ARAYA MADE IN JAPAN" - this is not something Raleigh would have been using circa 1960 so perhaps the wheel has been rebuilt...
---
bar -
note how much narrower is the trail than the top
this is not a normal configuration and usually indicates a deformation
---
serial -
its placement on the outer face of the left dropout is one of the spots employed by Raleigh
the format of five numerals followed by two letters is one of the formats employed by Raleigh
the letter N was employed to indicate Nottingham. it is somewhat unclear if the final character is to be taken as an H or as a W. since its sides/verticals taper narrower as they go downward we might take it as a letter W which was used to indicate the Raleigh factory located in Worksop, England. in this serial format the five numerals taken as a whole would indicate the year of manufacture (no code).
https://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html#55
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shift levers -
these appear very slightly later than the 1961-62 date suggested for the cycle by the marking on the Williams chainset. for 1962 this model of Huret shift lever is depicted with a sheet metal shroud below each lever assembly as here on a page from the 1962 edition of the French publication le Cycle -
so either the levers are not original to the bicycle or the bicycle is slightly later than a date of 1961-62
---
rear mech -
the Huret Allvit rear derailleur shown could not be original as it is marked "SPRINT" which is a designation employed by Schwinn for some of their Schwinn Approved parts and accessories for a period on the 1960's and 1970's.
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marking on barrel of rear hub is a Raleigh one
it depicts Sir Wally about to cast his cape to rescue the lady from the mud puddle
in front of him is a shield bearing the letters R I indicating "Raleigh Industries"
this symbol was employed for several decades and seemed to fall into disuse around 1970
here is a better view on a frame pump handle -
it looks like the rim of the rear wheel is marked "ARAYA MADE IN JAPAN" - this is not something Raleigh would have been using circa 1960 so perhaps the wheel has been rebuilt...
---
bar -
note how much narrower is the trail than the top
this is not a normal configuration and usually indicates a deformation
---
serial -
its placement on the outer face of the left dropout is one of the spots employed by Raleigh
the format of five numerals followed by two letters is one of the formats employed by Raleigh
the letter N was employed to indicate Nottingham. it is somewhat unclear if the final character is to be taken as an H or as a W. since its sides/verticals taper narrower as they go downward we might take it as a letter W which was used to indicate the Raleigh factory located in Worksop, England. in this serial format the five numerals taken as a whole would indicate the year of manufacture (no code).
https://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html#55
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shift levers -
these appear very slightly later than the 1961-62 date suggested for the cycle by the marking on the Williams chainset. for 1962 this model of Huret shift lever is depicted with a sheet metal shroud below each lever assembly as here on a page from the 1962 edition of the French publication le Cycle -
so either the levers are not original to the bicycle or the bicycle is slightly later than a date of 1961-62
---
rear mech -
the Huret Allvit rear derailleur shown could not be original as it is marked "SPRINT" which is a designation employed by Schwinn for some of their Schwinn Approved parts and accessories for a period on the 1960's and 1970's.
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I figured that the front wheel had been trashed and the rim had been replaced not quite sure about the rear wheel, honestly I imagine that the raleigh hub could have come with the dunlop rim
I assume that by bar you are referring to the handlebars which by the way have definitely seen a few better days.
the serial number is 22054NW
as far as the shifters go obviously both of the tension bolts have been replaced with the D-ring bolt on the front side and a flat head screw on the rear
I imagine that this is what the bolts should look like.
About the rear derailleur, from everything else on the bike I can only assume that someone just used whatever was handy.
By the way here is the fork
as far as a 3 speed conversion, with the lack of any mention of a Drake 10-speed online and a few 3-speed examples mentioned I would not be surprised
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thank you for the additional information and imagery
wheels -
either could be original but not both
Resilion had ceased play by 1961 so it is a bit of a grey area for them timewise
what make is the gear block? T.D. Cross perchance?
fork -
born in Ohio prior to emigrating westward to the Beehive State
expect you shall wish to locate a tubular example in order to proceed with rebuild/restoration
shift levers -
your set is later than those on the green Schwinn frame
note the difference in the outer washers
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thank you for the additional information and imagery
wheels -
either could be original but not both
Resilion had ceased play by 1961 so it is a bit of a grey area for them timewise
what make is the gear block? T.D. Cross perchance?
fork -
born in Ohio prior to emigrating westward to the Beehive State
expect you shall wish to locate a tubular example in order to proceed with rebuild/restoration
shift levers -
your set is later than those on the green Schwinn frame
note the difference in the outer washers
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08-26-20, 10:55 PM
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thank you for the additional information and imagery
wheels -
either could be original but not both
Resilion had ceased play by 1961 so it is a bit of a grey area for them timewise
what make is the gear block? T.D. Cross perchance?
fork -
born in Ohio prior to emigrating westward to the Beehive State
expect you shall wish to locate a tubular example in order to proceed with rebuild/restoration
shift levers -
your set is later than those on the green Schwinn frame
note the difference in the outer washers
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thank you for the additional information and imagery
wheels -
either could be original but not both
Resilion had ceased play by 1961 so it is a bit of a grey area for them timewise
what make is the gear block? T.D. Cross perchance?
fork -
born in Ohio prior to emigrating westward to the Beehive State
expect you shall wish to locate a tubular example in order to proceed with rebuild/restoration
shift levers -
your set is later than those on the green Schwinn frame
note the difference in the outer washers
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honestly I have no idea what I'm looking for as far as the fork goes
The green Schwinn is one of a pair of 63 varsitys that I just found a replacement cage for the front derailleur after about four years of looking
to replace this
and the difference in the outer washers depends on which side you look at
