"Classic & Vintage" The ones you don't understand the attraction.
03-28-15, 02:22 PM
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I LIKE THEM ALL!!
(wife - not so much)
(wife - not so much)
03-28-15, 02:26 PM
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Moulton - pooey stinko!
Found at the Dump...
Traded the Mounton straight across for my Brooks Pro Honey...
Found at the Dump...
Traded the Mounton straight across for my Brooks Pro Honey...
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Maybe I'm too finicky or elitist, but I don't understand the fascination with most of the bikes I see here. IMO for something to be classic or vintage it had to be special in it's day, or of unique and historic interest, possibly as an exemplar of bikes of it's era.
Most of the bikes people post here are neither, and rather than vintage, they're just old. The reality is that these aren't the gems people would wish them to be, just cut glass, and more modern bikes are far superior mechanically at often lower cost.
I'm not saying buy new, but know what you're buying. Bicycle technology took huge leaps forward through the seventies, so other than the truly classic gems, most bikes dating to the bike boom years of 1967-1973, aren't good examples of anything, and don't warrant great expense at restoration.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Most of the bikes people post here are neither, and rather than vintage, they're just old. The reality is that these aren't the gems people would wish them to be, just cut glass, and more modern bikes are far superior mechanically at often lower cost.
I'm not saying buy new, but know what you're buying. Bicycle technology took huge leaps forward through the seventies, so other than the truly classic gems, most bikes dating to the bike boom years of 1967-1973, aren't good examples of anything, and don't warrant great expense at restoration.
Just my 2 cents worth.
A lot of the bikes you're talking about - the bike boom ou-18s and such - still represent great value when compared to buying new and are quite practical for many users. I think, gems or not, we also appreciate them for nostalgia. They're not classics to me, but they make sense. It also depends on what view point you take when comparing it to modern stuff...you don't need latest/greatest/lightest for most applications. The old free wheels last a good long time.
The 3 speed townie stuff, I'm in complete agreement with you. It's not as practical when compared to an 80s MTB for any purpose I can think of and it's not interesting enough, at least to me, to be classic. Others like it...if it makes them happy, that's great.
The majority of stuff I see posted here now is 80s japanese - and I definitely think those bikes make a lot of sense for most riders, classic or not.
03-28-15, 02:48 PM
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If an industrial society was found on another planet,
and that planet had developed bicycle technology,
those bikes would be to our bikes,
like French bikes, are to the rest of the world.
"It's not wrong, It's just French"
and that planet had developed bicycle technology,
those bikes would be to our bikes,
like French bikes, are to the rest of the world.
"It's not wrong, It's just French"
03-28-15, 02:51 PM
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03-28-15, 02:57 PM
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All my riding partners, do not see the C&V thing at all.
To them they are nice pieces of art, to hang on a wall.
I'm being constantly berated, "you need to get a real bike".
To them they are nice pieces of art, to hang on a wall.
I'm being constantly berated, "you need to get a real bike".
03-28-15, 02:58 PM
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03-28-15, 03:01 PM
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I've no explanation for why I like certain bikes. When it comes to 3-speeds, I'm interested (I think) with the earlier ones- back in the days when the SA 3-speed hub ruled the roost if you wanted reliable wide-range shifting (and by 'reliable' I mean you make the shift and shift is done, no waiting for the chain to make up its mind), IOW bikes from WW2 and prior.
I've also sorted out that I am not much of a fan of dérailleurs despite having some nice examples on a Paramount (just*had* to have one with those chromed Nervex lugs- oh yeah!), Sports Tourer (g**ned the original Campy Gran Tourismo in favor of the later Shimano Le Tour) and Guerciotti. Most of my other bikes have IGHs; I've tried most of them out there and the Rohloff has found its way onto my main road bike and my MTB.
I am aware that my dislike of dérailleurs is some kind of aberration or something but there's nothing for it. You'd think the 'healthy n+1 behavior' would cure that but it just seems to make it worse. When I see a bike riding by I look at the rear wheel to see if its something 'interesting'; which is is if there is no dérailleur and isn't a single speed....
I've also sorted out that I am not much of a fan of dérailleurs despite having some nice examples on a Paramount (just*had* to have one with those chromed Nervex lugs- oh yeah!), Sports Tourer (g**ned the original Campy Gran Tourismo in favor of the later Shimano Le Tour) and Guerciotti. Most of my other bikes have IGHs; I've tried most of them out there and the Rohloff has found its way onto my main road bike and my MTB.
I am aware that my dislike of dérailleurs is some kind of aberration or something but there's nothing for it. You'd think the 'healthy n+1 behavior' would cure that but it just seems to make it worse. When I see a bike riding by I look at the rear wheel to see if its something 'interesting'; which is is if there is no dérailleur and isn't a single speed....
03-28-15, 03:04 PM
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I tend to think that many of the bikes shown here are "vintage" in the sense that they generally represent the better bikes of a past time.
Most of the bikes seen here tend to share the following characteristics (many of which still define better today):
Forged dropouts
Better than hi-ten steel
Butted tubing
Hand or very specialized machine produced joinery
Mid to high end components of their era - or -
Updated components based on a worthy riding frame
Interesting paint schemes and graphics
Many of the bikes showing up here tend to be those that were very much wanted in their day, either on street or trail. Masterpieces, maybe not.
Most of the bikes seen here tend to share the following characteristics (many of which still define better today):
Forged dropouts
Better than hi-ten steel
Butted tubing
Hand or very specialized machine produced joinery
Mid to high end components of their era - or -
Updated components based on a worthy riding frame
Interesting paint schemes and graphics
Many of the bikes showing up here tend to be those that were very much wanted in their day, either on street or trail. Masterpieces, maybe not.
03-28-15, 03:11 PM
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Vintage aluminum, like the Nishiki Altron.
Peugeot, especially UO-8.
On the other side, why the lack of interest in vintage MTBs and the impact they've had on the bicycle culture.
Peugeot, especially UO-8.
On the other side, why the lack of interest in vintage MTBs and the impact they've had on the bicycle culture.
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03-28-15, 03:14 PM
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I tend to think that many of the bikes shown here are "vintage" in the sense that they generally represent the better bikes of a past time.
Most of the bikes seen here tend to share the following characteristics (many of which still define better today):
Forged dropouts
Better than hi-ten steel
Butted tubing
Hand or very specialized machine produced joinery
Mid to high end components of their era - or -
Updated components based on a worthy riding frame
Interesting paint schemes and graphics
Many of the bikes showing up here tend to be those that were very much wanted in their day, either on street or trail. Masterpieces, maybe not.
Most of the bikes seen here tend to share the following characteristics (many of which still define better today):
Forged dropouts
Better than hi-ten steel
Butted tubing
Hand or very specialized machine produced joinery
Mid to high end components of their era - or -
Updated components based on a worthy riding frame
Interesting paint schemes and graphics
Many of the bikes showing up here tend to be those that were very much wanted in their day, either on street or trail. Masterpieces, maybe not.
That's why it's funny why people seem to bring up Varsities a lot in this thread. It's about "the ones you don't understand the attraction" but who is actually attracted to Varsities as anything but a historical curiosity that was manufactured in greater numbers than the T-34 and weighed only a bit less.
03-28-15, 03:15 PM
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Don't ride the Peugeot!!
It's phenomenal and you won't sell the Peugeot and will ultimately add it to your collection. That's what happen to me! I have two, and enjoy riding both! In fact I may jettison my C50 to justify keeping the PX10!
It's phenomenal and you won't sell the Peugeot and will ultimately add it to your collection. That's what happen to me! I have two, and enjoy riding both! In fact I may jettison my C50 to justify keeping the PX10! I don't see the extreme love for the old PX-10 from the early 70's. I mean, they're OK bikes. I had one back then. But it was no special bike and I really can't understand the exorbitant prices I see them going for these days. Would I like to have a minty old one from that era? For nostalgic reasons mostly. Sure. If I could find one for cheap. But that aint gonna happen.
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Bikes I've owned and ridden (not just test rides) that really did not impress:
Peugeot PX-10: I've had three--can't say I haven't tried.
Raleigh Professional: I've had two.
Bridgestone XO-3: The most sluggish ride I've ever experienced.
Italvega: It seemed to want to throw me off of the saddle.
Vitus: Can you say harsh ride?
Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix: I've had three, still currently have one. Very high BB, making it sluggish and twitchy.
Peugeot PX-10: I've had three--can't say I haven't tried.
Raleigh Professional: I've had two.
Bridgestone XO-3: The most sluggish ride I've ever experienced.
Italvega: It seemed to want to throw me off of the saddle.
Vitus: Can you say harsh ride?
Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix: I've had three, still currently have one. Very high BB, making it sluggish and twitchy.
03-28-15, 03:22 PM
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I tend to think that many of the bikes shown here are "vintage" in the sense that they generally represent the better bikes of a past time.
Many of the bikes showing up here tend to be those that were very much wanted in their day, either on street or trail. Masterpieces, maybe not.
Many of the bikes showing up here tend to be those that were very much wanted in their day, either on street or trail. Masterpieces, maybe not.
otherwise it's just old.
03-28-15, 03:31 PM
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Drop style handlebars. Riding the drops. Brake hood covers. Handlebar tape. Just take all that crap and shove it where the sun don't shine. I've got a dozen sets of drop bars & stems that's either going to the bike co-op donation box or aluminum recycling center. Give me an old 10 speed upgraded with cruiser bars anytime. Riding an old classic upright is a magical experience. Love it. Use those threaded eyelets for a rack or baskets !!!! Yeah!
03-28-15, 03:41 PM
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I can't believe I wrote that.
03-28-15, 03:46 PM
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One thing I really have zero interest in is any "anniversary" or "commemorative" edition of anything. Groups, bikes etc. I think these things always miss the mark and never really honor the history of the company they are supposed to celebrate.
It's the "collector's item" that is really the antithesis of a collector's item because everybody buys them to put away and save as a "collector's item". The history was made on the stuff that did not come packed in a plastic briefcase.
It's the "collector's item" that is really the antithesis of a collector's item because everybody buys them to put away and save as a "collector's item". The history was made on the stuff that did not come packed in a plastic briefcase.
03-28-15, 03:47 PM
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I haven't read the thread.
My vote for "why?" And "meh" is Trek. The attraction is totally lost on me. Bland production bikes w a marketing-based name.
Just glad the Trek fans aren't out there bidding up the ones I like (I'm sure they feel the same about me and stylish Italians and iconic Brits)
My vote for "why?" And "meh" is Trek. The attraction is totally lost on me. Bland production bikes w a marketing-based name.
Just glad the Trek fans aren't out there bidding up the ones I like (I'm sure they feel the same about me and stylish Italians and iconic Brits)
03-28-15, 03:59 PM
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Colnago = Rolex.
A Rolex is a status symbol. So is a Colnago. Serious watch guys have moved beyond Rolex to something like a Panerai. Rolex is still a great watch, but you are paying for the name. Same for Colnago.
A Rolex is a status symbol. So is a Colnago. Serious watch guys have moved beyond Rolex to something like a Panerai. Rolex is still a great watch, but you are paying for the name. Same for Colnago.
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One thing I really have zero interest in is any "anniversary" or "commemorative" edition of anything. Groups, bikes etc. I think these things always miss the mark and never really honor the history of the company they are supposed to celebrate.
It's the "collector's item" that is really the antithesis of a collector's item because everybody buys them to put away and save as a "collector's item". The history was made on the stuff that did not come packed in a plastic briefcase.
It's the "collector's item" that is really the antithesis of a collector's item because everybody buys them to put away and save as a "collector's item". The history was made on the stuff that did not come packed in a plastic briefcase.
You sayin' my commemorative Austin Powers [strike]doll[/strike] action figure is not going to be sought after in the next decade?
We will have to agree to disagree sir.
And Italian fixed cups still suck.
03-28-15, 04:23 PM
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I haven't read the thread.
My vote for "why?" And "meh" is Trek. The attraction is totally lost on me. Bland production bikes w a marketing-based name.
Just glad the Trek fans aren't out there bidding up the ones I like (I'm sure they feel the same about me and stylish Italians and iconic Brits)
My vote for "why?" And "meh" is Trek. The attraction is totally lost on me. Bland production bikes w a marketing-based name.
Just glad the Trek fans aren't out there bidding up the ones I like (I'm sure they feel the same about me and stylish Italians and iconic Brits)
03-28-15, 04:27 PM
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Well, if you had bought the Austin Powers Hummel then maybe. Or Franklin Mint plate with the image of him and Lady Di twisting............
03-28-15, 04:28 PM
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