Bottle Cage Lust + Bottles
02-02-11, 03:59 PM
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Aesthetically, and functionally too, I find the modern options sitting too high and being inadequately supported. Every one of mine will sag on even a short stretch of cobbles or other rough surface. Most of the genuine vintage holders put the neck of the bottle at or slightly above the bars, like iab's.
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02-02-11, 04:36 PM
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02-02-11, 04:40 PM
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I think with a little effort and some aluminum stock I can fashion an elegant extender that allows the cages to sit lower (as the originals do). I'll post the results when I get around to it.
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02-02-11, 05:34 PM
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I get thirsty when I ride, I like to reach for a water bottle and be able to drink from it without fanfare and put it back...that is all I require.
If I ever repainted my Super Course, I would braze-on water bottle mounts...no doubt in my mind.
If I ever repainted my Super Course, I would braze-on water bottle mounts...no doubt in my mind.
02-02-11, 05:34 PM
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Kleen Kanteen makes their own bottle cage and it holds the KK bottles better but if you have it on the downtube without the a bottle in it the thing really catches your pants bad. Just a heads-up for those who think they might want to get one -realize it is bad to ride around without the bottle and you have to be careful when you are drinking as it can really catch the pantlegs before you get it put back in.
02-02-11, 05:47 PM
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I did not say that one didn't work. I was aiding their quality by saying that is some peoples argument for why the vintage is the 'bees knees'. I was simply adding that I could as well obtain a functional cage. You seem quite offended by a remark that something was 400 dollars. If even as a collector you can't see practicality to cost adjustment that just does not make sense, then you aren't paying attention to the terminating value. (An object is only worth what somebody will pay for it) I agree that this object that sold is worth that 'monetary' amount, but that doesn't prove it's value to anybody but people with too much money and a means to sell it to the highest bidder. In the end you are collecting dollars, not vintage water bottle cages.
From my point of view, even to argue with a resale of it, if Vehicles from the 1950's that haven't even left the showroom floor are only worth at best 15-25x their original value, why would the value of something like this would be close to 100x the original value?
If we're talking about 'smart' in terms of collecting, it's to NOT be the guy who got stuck paying way too much.
From my point of view, even to argue with a resale of it, if Vehicles from the 1950's that haven't even left the showroom floor are only worth at best 15-25x their original value, why would the value of something like this would be close to 100x the original value?
If we're talking about 'smart' in terms of collecting, it's to NOT be the guy who got stuck paying way too much.
Are you upset because this cage is 100x its value and the cars you collect are only worth 15-25x?
Those bottle and cage sold for $400. Period. That is what they are worth. Period. In 2 years, they are likely to sell for more. Period. What exactly don't you understand about that? You do realize if you don't value them at $400, that means absolutely nothing. Don't you?
I watch Meecham auctions and watch ugly ass muscle cars sell for 100x more than I would pay. They are still worth the 100x amount.
02-02-11, 07:39 PM
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I've been going a little nuts reproducing accessories lately and don't really want to wear out my welcome. But since the topic has come up (sort of) I thought I'd show off a repro '50s-'60s french cage I did recently. Same old story - I was looking through "The Golden Age..." and realized that I'd finally seen a clamp-on cage which looked good. I prefer the one I did out of stainless but I don't have clamps for it yet.
02-02-11, 08:37 PM
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Nice job...what wire did you end up using this time?
I've been going a little nuts reproducing accessories lately and don't really want to wear out my welcome. But since the topic has come up (sort of) I thought I'd show off a repro '50s-'60s french cage I did recently. Same old story - I was looking through "The Golden Age..." and realized that I'd finally seen a clamp-on cage which looked good. I prefer the one I did out of stainless but I don't have clamps for it yet.
02-02-11, 09:18 PM
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Thanks. It's just some 1/8" brass rod and a bit of silver to attach the top loop and tie everything together. The clamps are 1/32" brass stock (badly shaped at the moment) with some SAE hardware from Ace since they don't carry brass stuff in metric sizes.
02-02-11, 09:28 PM
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Nice work, Cinco!
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02-02-11, 09:44 PM
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I've been going a little nuts reproducing accessories lately and don't really want to wear out my welcome. But since the topic has come up (sort of) I thought I'd show off a repro '50s-'60s french cage I did recently. Same old story - I was looking through "The Golden Age..." and realized that I'd finally seen a clamp-on cage which looked good. I prefer the one I did out of stainless but I don't have clamps for it yet.
P.S. very nice work.
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02-02-11, 09:52 PM
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I wonder what that VO clamp and cage (along with the Kleen Kanteen) would look like on the handlebars of a Raleigh Sports? It's period correct but not really a 3-speed thing is it...
I'm thinking aloud of a way to carry water on the Raleigh while still looking all tweedy-correct.
I'm thinking aloud of a way to carry water on the Raleigh while still looking all tweedy-correct.
02-02-11, 10:09 PM
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02-02-11, 10:17 PM
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I wonder what that VO clamp and cage (along with the Kleen Kanteen) would look like on the handlebars of a Raleigh Sports? It's period correct but not really a 3-speed thing is it...
I'm thinking aloud of a way to carry water on the Raleigh while still looking all tweedy-correct.
I'm thinking aloud of a way to carry water on the Raleigh while still looking all tweedy-correct.
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02-02-11, 10:27 PM
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Thanks, That looks nice. I like it.
I have a bullet headlight mounted to the headset bracket so the cage would have to be to one side. I'll have to mock something up to see if I like it but maybe I'll en up buying the VO clamp and the "vintage" cage.
Of course I'll have to polish up the Kleen Kanteen to make it match the headlight
I have a bullet headlight mounted to the headset bracket so the cage would have to be to one side. I'll have to mock something up to see if I like it but maybe I'll en up buying the VO clamp and the "vintage" cage.
Of course I'll have to polish up the Kleen Kanteen to make it match the headlight
02-02-11, 10:33 PM
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lol at iab, only reading the parts he wants to. Keep wasting your time justifying your 'collectors' price scheming. I hope you read the fine print in the purchases you make more thoroughly than you have been reading my posts.
Yes, Nice work cinco!
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02-02-11, 10:37 PM
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Thanks, That looks nice. I like it.
I have a bullet headlight mounted to the headset bracket so the cage would have to be to one side. I'll have to mock something up to see if I like it but maybe I'll en up buying the VO clamp and the "vintage" cage.
Of course I'll have to polish up the Kleen Kanteen to make it match the headlight
I have a bullet headlight mounted to the headset bracket so the cage would have to be to one side. I'll have to mock something up to see if I like it but maybe I'll en up buying the VO clamp and the "vintage" cage.
Of course I'll have to polish up the Kleen Kanteen to make it match the headlight
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I'm converting my Virge "vintage looking" bullet to LED. I could have bought the LED version cheaper had I done my homework. The screw-base 1W LED light was nearly $14 shipped and that leaves me with one of the bulbs still incand. Add another couple bucks for a diode bridge and a capacitor to rectify the AC from the bottle generator and I've got a bunch tied up in it plus all the work to convert it.
Still, it looks nice.
Still, it looks nice.
02-02-11, 10:55 PM
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iab . . .
Saw literaly hundreds of double bottle cages with aluminum bidons when I was a kid growing up in Belgium in the 1930s-40s.
Used double hb mounted TA cages on my Peugeot PX-10 in the 70s.
Still use hb mounted bottle cage on my c/f tandem and single bike.
Saw literaly hundreds of double bottle cages with aluminum bidons when I was a kid growing up in Belgium in the 1930s-40s.
Used double hb mounted TA cages on my Peugeot PX-10 in the 70s.
Still use hb mounted bottle cage on my c/f tandem and single bike.
02-02-11, 11:32 PM
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iab - any chance you have a picture of that simplex arrangement without the bottles in it?
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02-03-11, 07:30 AM
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How about in the last 10 years.
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Incorrect. You are too narrow minded to see what you value isn't only thing with value. Try again.
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I picked up two different handlebar mounted cages this past summer for a buck a piece. One was a REG with the spring activated lever and unbranded Italian made cage. I mounted the REG on my Raleigh Comp as I can't stand the downtube clamp on units. I couldn't believe it was only a buck as the seller was a big bike collector. This is kind of freaky though cause I didn't see this thread till this morning and had a dream last night about how to make saddle mounted bottle cages. WHo the heck dreams of bottle cages? lol. I'll take a picture of my cage and bottle on the Comp. It just looks so lonely with just one bottle on the handlebar.
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You got a great deal. Even those REG cages go for a pretty penny.
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