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09-02-11, 03:53 PM
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09-02-11, 03:54 PM
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Hmmm. I had a Moser AX, or maybe TK1, can't remember. In any case, it was a really nice bike and handled well. Deda tubing, fillet brazed goodness.
09-02-11, 03:59 PM
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09-02-11, 04:07 PM
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Dude, the big font isn't going to summon him from the dead.
09-02-11, 04:37 PM
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Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
Life is too short not to ride the best bike you have, as much as you can
(looking for Torpado Super light frame/fork or for Raleigh International frame fork 58cm)
09-02-11, 04:53 PM
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09-02-11, 04:56 PM
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For whatever reason, the font should have been one that has a serif and in all caps, first time I have ever modified a font in a response, and the last.
The original poster was asking about a vintage Italian frame, so no seance required.
The original poster was asking about a vintage Italian frame, so no seance required.
09-02-11, 05:07 PM
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09-02-11, 05:08 PM
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09-02-11, 05:08 PM
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Internally the frames were really rough; much worse than average. A good shop would always clean them up before assembling, but who knows if the one you get was assembled by a "good shop".
Angles were somewhat steeper than usual, with 74 and - on taller frames - 75 being common. This makes for a ride that is either responsive or twitchy, depending on the preferences of the person doing the describing.
All of the other Bottechias I have seen were second quality at best and should come in well below your budget, but don't offer anything exceptional. I have not yet seen every Bottechia ever made, of course...
09-02-11, 05:10 PM
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Point taken, but I'm in all honesty a Grace Kelly, Ingrid Bergman kind of guy. Hopefully, I'm getting more debonair and leading-man-like with age, like Carey Grant. I'd compromise on Isabella Rossellini, though - part Ingrid Bergman, part Italian.
09-02-11, 05:11 PM
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09-02-11, 05:20 PM
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Seinfeld reference aside, I'm not so sure. Wouldn't bother me in the least if I "only" attracted women to the extent Carey Grant did. But interestingly, his daughter recently wrote a memoir of her father where she seemed a bit befuddled by the "gay" rumors surrounding her dad, without being the least bit defensive about them. So I'm not at all sure why you're "pretty sure." But whatever. In any case, the guy quit Hollywood specifically to be a better father to his daughter, which hopefully we can all admire, regardless of our sexual orientation.
09-02-11, 05:25 PM
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09-02-11, 05:43 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty much all of the bikes mentioned in this thread demand a premium. How and why the OP wants to spend their money is their business.
09-02-11, 05:45 PM
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Seinfeld reference aside, I'm not so sure. Wouldn't bother me in the least if I "only" attracted women to the extent Carey Grant did. But interestingly, his daughter recently wrote a memoir of her father where she seemed a bit befuddled by the "gay" rumors surrounding her dad, without being the least bit defensive about them. So I'm not at all sure why you're "pretty sure." But whatever. In any case, the guy quit Hollywood specifically to be a better father to his daughter, which hopefully we can all admire, regardless of our sexual orientation.
In any case, I'd choose more of a Humphrey Bogart/Lauren Bacall reference. You know how to whistle, don't you?
09-02-11, 05:52 PM
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Lookalikes........
Which is which? It's a lot like the difference in Italian bicycles. ;-)
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09-02-11, 06:00 PM
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Italy has beautiful wimenz, no doubt, but the coolest living cyclist has to be Cipollini, just because.
Him sponsoring the Italian women's team is almost beyond the Pale.
Him sponsoring the Italian women's team is almost beyond the Pale.