Is C&V going "modern"
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The C&V Test!
If this happens, it's not C&V appropriate!
verktyg
Chas.
If this happens, it's not C&V appropriate!
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A bike can be classic OR vintage as well as both.
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This is vaguely on-topic, but, since carbon fiber has been mentioned . . .First there was the death stem(ava,pivo). Then the death fork(viscount). Now the death frame(carbon fiber). Are we witnessing the evolution or devolution of the bicycle? -my comments are made in jest.
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Someone will dig this quote up in fifteen years when they are refinishing their Colnago Extreme Power or C59.
and laugh.
Also, tell me this Rabobank C50 of Sven Nys isn't a classic waiting to be recognized.
Totally defined the genre at the time....
and laugh.
Also, tell me this Rabobank C50 of Sven Nys isn't a classic waiting to be recognized.
Totally defined the genre at the time....
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The tubes would pull out of the lugs instead, right? Couldn't resist.
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Good thing in jest. The busted or failure of carbon frame thing is NO different than steel or aluminum classics. Take your choice, some may just be weaker than others. Could be caused by engineering, construction, application (incl. abuse) or environment. Personally, I like all types and really dig the evolution of CF. And about V-count forks, AVA 'death' stems.... send them to me
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Has more to do with wine making than anything else. RE: "vintner", etc.
But if you want to sell your old ebay item for more, be sure to add the word to the description.
vintage: definition of vintage in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
But if you want to sell your old ebay item for more, be sure to add the word to the description.
vintage: definition of vintage in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
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Oldest ones are just over 40 years old now, so the Graftek easily passes the "sniff test" for what's C&V....
BTW, It's highly unlikely that the frame tubes on the Graftek will shatter/asplode from a lateral hit as show in verktyg's pics, as the Gratek frame tubes are actually a composite construction using aluminum tubes, wrapped with CF:
......so it ain't so crispy as people think they are. Sure, maybe still not as strong as Fe or full Al, but certainly stronger than just pure CF.
The glue joints will most likely fail before any tubes break on an owner.....
BTW, It's highly unlikely that the frame tubes on the Graftek will shatter/asplode from a lateral hit as show in verktyg's pics, as the Gratek frame tubes are actually a composite construction using aluminum tubes, wrapped with CF:
......so it ain't so crispy as people think they are. Sure, maybe still not as strong as Fe or full Al, but certainly stronger than just pure CF.
The glue joints will most likely fail before any tubes break on an owner.....
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I spend most of my time in this forum, the beach cruiser, Hybrid, and Touring forums, and an occasional visit to the Mountain Bike. As my Beach Cruiser is a 1980's Huffy, it is considered crap in that forum. My Hybrid is a 2003 Giant Cypress DX - again, considered junk by that forum, My touring bikes (1989 KHS Mtn Bike and the aforementioned Giant) are considered trash; not suitable for touring - or anything else, for that matter. My mountain bikes range from the '89 KHS and 91 Diamondback, to a 2004 Pacific PK-7 full suspension bike ($88.00 on sale at Target) needless to say, they are considered junk there.
Because I don't have a classic name Italian road bike to talk about, my bikes generate little to no interest in this forum, and yes, some of the "purists" have called them trash (even though the KHS has a lugged steel TRIPLE Butted TANGE frame ...)
That said, I still learn something from the forums. Even with my "junk" bikes, some of the concerns are the same.
What I DESPISE are bike snobs of ALL disciplines of cycling; especially those who claim that if you don't ride a bike costing a minimum of $1,000 or more, you have trash/junk and wasted your money. THOSE "people" drive riders away. If all they can afford is a Walmart bike, so be it. It is better to ride and be encouraged than to be told you ride a piece of sh*t and that you are worthless.
Because I don't have a classic name Italian road bike to talk about, my bikes generate little to no interest in this forum, and yes, some of the "purists" have called them trash (even though the KHS has a lugged steel TRIPLE Butted TANGE frame ...)
That said, I still learn something from the forums. Even with my "junk" bikes, some of the concerns are the same.
What I DESPISE are bike snobs of ALL disciplines of cycling; especially those who claim that if you don't ride a bike costing a minimum of $1,000 or more, you have trash/junk and wasted your money. THOSE "people" drive riders away. If all they can afford is a Walmart bike, so be it. It is better to ride and be encouraged than to be told you ride a piece of sh*t and that you are worthless.
Please don't be disheartened by your perceived disinterest by others in your bikes, it's probably that there may be less understanding of the bikes you own and ride. I know, my cycling history had it's beginnings in bikes I could afford so I can appreciate their worth and appreciate your ongoing interest in value for money bikes.
I also suggest that it takes a more knowledgable and appreciative person to be able to recognise the quality of components within your spectrum of interest than it does at the 'Italian end' of the spectrum. I know that if it reads Colnago, Pinarello, DeRosa, Campagnolo Nuovo/Super/C-Record, Dura-Ace, Superbe Pro, Cinelli, Mavic, Columbus SL/SLX/etc, Reynolds 531 it's there's no thinking involved - they're just quality within my spectrum - they're safe. I don't have to examine, experiment, trial - think.
As for the people who take the time to put down your bikes in a destructive and negative way, unfortunately that can't be helped in the forum environment. (I must add that this particular forum is very supportive and positive.) You know better and, I'm suggesting, more forum members of the silent majority know better as well.
As your name suggests, your a bike rider for life and that what really counts.
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While I enjoy modern bikes as much as older bikes, the two are distinct in my mind. Classic-Vintage bikes are distinct in having horizontal top-tubes, 1inch threaded steerers with quill stems and a square taper or earlier bottom brackets. Modern bikes have compact frames, theadless steerers, and modern cranks with integral spindles.
The late eighties and early nineties bikes can be the best of the Classic-Vintage models with seven or eight cogs, great steel tubesets and a wide range of shifters. L'Eroica rules are too strict and are not fully enforced in Chianti or England. Plenty of important bikes were built after 1987.
Cycling seems to be reembracing some of the features of Classic-Vintage models. Some builders are offering steel frames that accept 700x28 tires among other features that seem to have disappear for a while.
The late eighties and early nineties bikes can be the best of the Classic-Vintage models with seven or eight cogs, great steel tubesets and a wide range of shifters. L'Eroica rules are too strict and are not fully enforced in Chianti or England. Plenty of important bikes were built after 1987.
Cycling seems to be reembracing some of the features of Classic-Vintage models. Some builders are offering steel frames that accept 700x28 tires among other features that seem to have disappear for a while.
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I like that they don't seem to be interested in powder-coating bikes made by skilled craftsmen in small numbers, and that most want to preserve the experience of riding an older bike as it was. There aren't many such bikes out there, true. But why is that a problem?
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It's easier for me to imagine a Chevette funny car than a funny K-car! What a thought!
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I think, while swinging the Graftek toward the post, the tubes would slide out of all the lug sockets and the bike would fall to pieces, without making any contact with the post. So, it would fail the test. Afterwards, I would fit the pieces together again and ride the bike away. So, it would pass the test. Given this fail-pass duality I would then rebadge/rename the bike the Graftek Quantum. Also, verktyg and iab would both win their respective argument.
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I think, while swinging the Graftek toward the post, the tubes would slide out of all the lug sockets and the bike would fall to pieces, without making any contact with the post. So, it would fail the test. Afterwards, I would fit the pieces together again and ride the bike away. So, it would pass the test. Given this fail-pass duality I would then rebadge/rename the bike the Graftek Quantum.
The adhesive failures started happening while the frames were still being produced. It would be years before adequate adhesives would be developed. Take the glued together Raleighs of the 1990s foe examples.
The Graftek top and down tubes would probably bounce of of the pole while all of the other frame parts went flying!
What argument, I have no dog in this fight!
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