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09-21-06, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jason@lmi
I Like To Bike: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
OK, you have beef with the "fixie fad".....we get that. Now, cut the emotional yet lacking technical advice.
FWIW it's worth: I ride/own all types of bikes. Love them all.
Now, as a bike messenger I realize that I "only" commute to work about 4 miles each way. The rest of the day is called work. Of those 11 years as a messenger I have ridden a fixed gear for six of them. I currently work in Salt Lake City, Utah (where it has been known to snow) and will ride nothing other than fixed gear in the winter. Here is a brief rundown as to why I have come to this conclusion, starting with the most important:
Reliable modulation. There is no way, even on my cross bike with knobby tires, that I get the kind of modulation in snow/ice I get with my fixed wheel. Think of using a stick shift vehicle and downshifting around a corner versus just putting the car in neutral around a corner. It is not a cult/karma thing but something you can feel.
Low maintenence. I put air in my tires and lube my chain. Sometimes I buy new tires, sometimes I buy a new chain (often enough as to not wear down my drivetrain). I repack the moving parts (hubs, BB, headset) as often as I would any of my other bikes. The winter gunk is a handful here on geared bikes and I prefer spending my time in other ways than keeping up with that. Been there, done that.
Durability. Nuff said.
Theft issues. Nuff said.
Now, go out and give it a try if YOU LIKE TO BIKE. You just might find something useful. Drinking the Kool Aid is optional.
OK, you have beef with the "fixie fad".....we get that. Now, cut the emotional yet lacking technical advice.
FWIW it's worth: I ride/own all types of bikes. Love them all.
Now, as a bike messenger I realize that I "only" commute to work about 4 miles each way. The rest of the day is called work. Of those 11 years as a messenger I have ridden a fixed gear for six of them. I currently work in Salt Lake City, Utah (where it has been known to snow) and will ride nothing other than fixed gear in the winter. Here is a brief rundown as to why I have come to this conclusion, starting with the most important:
Reliable modulation. There is no way, even on my cross bike with knobby tires, that I get the kind of modulation in snow/ice I get with my fixed wheel. Think of using a stick shift vehicle and downshifting around a corner versus just putting the car in neutral around a corner. It is not a cult/karma thing but something you can feel.
Low maintenence. I put air in my tires and lube my chain. Sometimes I buy new tires, sometimes I buy a new chain (often enough as to not wear down my drivetrain). I repack the moving parts (hubs, BB, headset) as often as I would any of my other bikes. The winter gunk is a handful here on geared bikes and I prefer spending my time in other ways than keeping up with that. Been there, done that.
Durability. Nuff said.
Theft issues. Nuff said.
Now, go out and give it a try if YOU LIKE TO BIKE. You just might find something useful. Drinking the Kool Aid is optional.
BTW, the modulation karma shtick for riding in town sounds like making riding a bicycle into piloting a rocket ship.
09-21-06, 05:43 AM
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Actually, he's quite right. Explaining it as driving a manual transmission vs. a automatic gives a good feel for the difference.
Mos6502 said:
That's just about what it boils down to. It's all about that feedback and modulation of the rear wheel. Some that try fixed get hooked on that and don't like to go back. Some don't. It's certainly personal preference.
Mos6502 said:
If you value the inability to coast and receiving feedback from the rear wheel above all else, then I suppose a fixed bike makes sense for winter riding.
If you prefer to coast in slick situations, and you don't see rear wheel feedback as necessary - then something not fixed is just as good if not better.
If you prefer to coast in slick situations, and you don't see rear wheel feedback as necessary - then something not fixed is just as good if not better.
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Originally Posted by ducati
Actually, he's quite right. Explaining it as driving a manual transmission vs. a automatic gives a good feel for the difference.
... It's certainly personal preference.
... It's certainly personal preference.
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A couple of non-drive train related advantages I see relate to warmth. My hands get painfully cold when the temperature gets near freezing. It's nice to be able to keep my hands in a fist and not have to extend fingers out to brake levers. My legs also stay warmer from the constant motion of forward and back pressure. I can try and concentrate on spinning, but if it's really cold I often forget or don't want to spin too fast going down a hill.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Rather ironic to compare driving using a single gear to manipulating effort/output of the driver's engine with a multigeared manual transmission. Doncha think? Certainly agree that personal preference is the deciding issue.
But really it doesn't have to do with the gearing, per se; more the method of connection between engine and transmission. A manual transmission, when the clutch is disengaged, is solidly coupled (rather like a fixie). An automatic never is; the torque converter cannot completely lock, so there's always a filter between your foot and the pavement. Annoying if you're pushing the limits on a track.
Some of the new crop of "automatics" like VWs DSG eliminate this issue, but for a traditional automatic, the above reigns true.
So I guess we need DSG fixies.
09-21-06, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ducati
Annoying if you're pushing the limits on a track.
09-21-06, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rykoala
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I am going to gear it around 50 gear inches this year, last year was 70 and it was too high for the really nasty days. This winter I also have two wheelsets. One with slick tires that is single speed and one with studded tires that is fixed.
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I am going to gear it around 50 gear inches this year, last year was 70 and it was too high for the really nasty days. This winter I also have two wheelsets. One with slick tires that is single speed and one with studded tires that is fixed.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Sounds right. And I will probably need to consider that when I find myself on a track needing to push the limits on a bike or a car.
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Originally Posted by Mos6502
Personally I value coasting over receiving wheel feedback - truth is both are useful in slick conditions, it just depends on what your riding style is to determie which is more useful to you. I've had a couple of fixed bikes, and never thought they'd be any better than anything else in the snow (my three speed being the prefered "all weather" bike since it has fenders and the gears are safe from the elements inside the hub).
In really snowy conditions I think fixed would be scary too due to the pedal strike issue. You don't know exactly what's under that snowbank and as long as the bike is moving the pedals are moving. On plowed streets and hard packed snow it would probably be nice though.
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Originally Posted by moxfyre
Well... I don't think anyone makes a track hub that can take a drum brake or disc brake, so a rear drum/disc brake is out. But there's no reason you couldn't use a front hub with drum/disc brakes with a fixie. That would be pretty cool, actually, now that I think about it!
I think a fixie with front disc/drum brake would be a wicked winter commuter, though I'm sure I Like To Bike will disagree
I think a fixie with front disc/drum brake would be a wicked winter commuter, though I'm sure I Like To Bike will disagree
However I think the only conditions that would make a disc brake desirable over a rim brake for the rear are also those conditions where there is not a ton of traction any way. A rim brake in combination with resisting should be able to provide all the braking you can handle in thos conditions. So a disc brake is probably not necessary for road conditions. I could se a few conditions off-road where a disc brake might be advantagous but I do not have near the skill off-road that I would ever need it.
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Originally Posted by squeakywheel
I've been trying to figure out what gearing to use for a winter bad weather fixed gear. 50 gear inches seems about right. I ran 54.4 gear inches on my SS MTB last winter. Without the ability to coast downhill, though, I'm wondering if 50 gear inches would be any faster than jogging on foot. There is a pretty serious runner that I saw on the road last winter. I wouldn't want to be passed by a jogger.
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Originally Posted by squeakywheel
I've been trying to figure out what gearing to use for a winter bad weather fixed gear. 50 gear inches seems about right. I ran 54.4 gear inches on my SS MTB last winter. Without the ability to coast downhill, though, I'm wondering if 50 gear inches would be any faster than jogging on foot. There is a pretty serious runner that I saw on the road last winter. I wouldn't want to be passed by a jogger.
As for whether fixed gear is really advantageous: I will admit- I only *needed* fixed gear for a few days at the most last winter. I only NEEDED my studded tires for a few days last year. But boy was I glad I had them. Want to see how much traction there really is? Slow down by legs only. If the wheel slips, you'll know how much pressure you needed to make that happen. You can't really do that on a coasting bike.
TO ILTB: I suggest you start a blog. That way you can post your opinions on the 'net without forcing them down peoples throats by hijacking every thread that has the word "fixed gear" in it. We all know you think fixed gear is silly. We think you're equally silly. There will never be an agreement, so why bother? Its the *Internet*. Its like being in a pool. If you don't like the color/temp/smell/people in/etc of the pool, you can get out and go to a different pool. Or if you think Harleys are stupid, you wouldn't go into a biker bar with 50+ harley's in front and tell them how stupid you think harleys are would you? Probably not. No, you'd go to a different bar. You have the same choice here. You've been warned by mods to ease up in the past. Why don't you?
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Originally Posted by rykoala
That way you can post your opinions on the 'net without forcing them down peoples throats by hijacking every thread that has the word "fixed gear" in it.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
I see. In your opinion only responses that sing the praises of fixed gear are permitted on any commuter thread "that has the word "fixed gear" in it". Any other opinion/point of view (such as many of the claimed advantages can be found on conventional hub gear/coaster brake bikes) is "hijacking" and "forcing opinions down peoples throats" Uh Huh. Doncha think think you (and other would be censors) are being hypocritical? I do.
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marqueemoon, Lets not forget that ILTB has made this the longest post that I've ever made. Woohoo 4 pages!!!
ILTB- Would it be too much to ask for you not to post in response to my threads? I'm certain that your "differing" point of view is valuable to somebody but for me it is no more than annoying child crying for a little attention. Do you think you can control yourself enough not to respond to any posts that I request information. Please don't see it as a slight against you but more as a request for you to remain separate from my search for a better life.
ILTB- Would it be too much to ask for you not to post in response to my threads? I'm certain that your "differing" point of view is valuable to somebody but for me it is no more than annoying child crying for a little attention. Do you think you can control yourself enough not to respond to any posts that I request information. Please don't see it as a slight against you but more as a request for you to remain separate from my search for a better life.
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I was thinking about how a fixie provides different traction response than a freewheeling bike today (while riding my geared touring bike )
With a bike that can coast, your foot speed can vary a lot throughout one revolution of the pedals; I, for example, was tired while I was riding and I noticed that my feet speed up when the 3 and 9 o'clock positions and slow down when they are at the 12 and 6 o'clock positions. During the periods where my feet are moving slower, the pedals are essentially decoupled from the wheel, because the chain is not turning the cogs quite as fast as the rear wheel is rotating.
As a result, there are brief periods of less than 1 second where I can't "feel" the road... if I were to hit an ice patch while my feet were moving slightly slower, I wouldn't notice the change in traction until slightly later, when my feet started moving as fast as the wheel again. I'm imagining that this delay could be around 0.2 seconds if I am pedaling at a moderate cadence (60 rpm) and it takes me 1/5 of a revolution for my feet to start moving as fast as the wheel again.
I think this might be a good explanation for why a fixie rider perceives that he/she can feel the traction so well. What do you guys think? ILTB included
)With a bike that can coast, your foot speed can vary a lot throughout one revolution of the pedals; I, for example, was tired while I was riding and I noticed that my feet speed up when the 3 and 9 o'clock positions and slow down when they are at the 12 and 6 o'clock positions. During the periods where my feet are moving slower, the pedals are essentially decoupled from the wheel, because the chain is not turning the cogs quite as fast as the rear wheel is rotating.
As a result, there are brief periods of less than 1 second where I can't "feel" the road... if I were to hit an ice patch while my feet were moving slightly slower, I wouldn't notice the change in traction until slightly later, when my feet started moving as fast as the wheel again. I'm imagining that this delay could be around 0.2 seconds if I am pedaling at a moderate cadence (60 rpm) and it takes me 1/5 of a revolution for my feet to start moving as fast as the wheel again.
I think this might be a good explanation for why a fixie rider perceives that he/she can feel the traction so well. What do you guys think? ILTB included
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Originally Posted by rykoala
. TO ILTB: I suggest you start a blog. That way you can post your opinions on the 'net without forcing them down peoples throats by hijacking every thread that has the word "fixed gear" in it. We all know you think fixed gear is silly. We think you're equally silly. There will never be an agreement, so why bother? Its the *Internet*. Its like being in a pool. If you don't like the color/temp/smell/people in/etc of the pool, you can get out and go to a different pool. Or if you think Harleys are stupid, you wouldn't go into a biker bar with 50+ harley's in front and tell them how stupid you think harleys are would you? Probably not. No, you'd go to a different bar. You have the same choice here. You've been warned by mods to ease up in the past. Why don't you?
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ILTB quote: "I see. In your opinion only responses that sing the praises of fixed gear are permitted on any commuter thread "that has the word "fixed gear" in it". Any other opinion/point of view (such as many of the claimed advantages can be found on conventional hub gear/coaster brake bikes) is "hijacking" and "forcing opinions down peoples throats" Uh Huh. Doncha think think you (and other would be censors) are being hypocritical? I do."
I'd like to point out that contrary to I-Like-To-*****'s paranoid delusions of shock troops of monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas conspiring to usurp, silence, and trackstand all over all that is good, right, and internally geared in the world,
yes indeed, several fixie riders ON THIS VERY THREAD have offered critical opinions regarding riding fixed in the winter. I guess they didn't march enthusiastically enough behind the conventional hub gears/coaster brake parade.
I'd like to point out that contrary to I-Like-To-*****'s paranoid delusions of shock troops of monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas conspiring to usurp, silence, and trackstand all over all that is good, right, and internally geared in the world,
yes indeed, several fixie riders ON THIS VERY THREAD have offered critical opinions regarding riding fixed in the winter. I guess they didn't march enthusiastically enough behind the conventional hub gears/coaster brake parade.
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maxfyre:
Yes, feeling the road through the entire rotation is part of it, but more importantly, the ability to control your traction through, for lack of a beter word, "modulation" (no ILTB, I am not trying to equate riding a bike to rocket science....the subject here is riding in the winter and to me staying upright and the help I get from a fixed in doing so is relevent). As I said earlier, think of when you downshift a stick shift car through a corner, the engine gives the tires a type of resistance "grip". With a fixed gear, the resistance from your legs accomplishes the same thing. I'm sorry, ILTB, but freewheeling bikes (included your beloved coaster brake bike) just simply do not do this. Speaking of which, the last time I rode a coaster brake bike was when I rented one in Holland and I have to say it's about the most unreliable method of braking out there. As a kid, it was great for making black marks in the driveway, however.
I understand a fixed gear is not for everyone and others here have made legitimate posts about how for them the downsides outweigh the benefits. I am just chiming in on what I have decided works best for me in hopes of giving the OP something to chew on.
Yes, feeling the road through the entire rotation is part of it, but more importantly, the ability to control your traction through, for lack of a beter word, "modulation" (no ILTB, I am not trying to equate riding a bike to rocket science....the subject here is riding in the winter and to me staying upright and the help I get from a fixed in doing so is relevent). As I said earlier, think of when you downshift a stick shift car through a corner, the engine gives the tires a type of resistance "grip". With a fixed gear, the resistance from your legs accomplishes the same thing. I'm sorry, ILTB, but freewheeling bikes (included your beloved coaster brake bike) just simply do not do this. Speaking of which, the last time I rode a coaster brake bike was when I rented one in Holland and I have to say it's about the most unreliable method of braking out there. As a kid, it was great for making black marks in the driveway, however.
I understand a fixed gear is not for everyone and others here have made legitimate posts about how for them the downsides outweigh the benefits. I am just chiming in on what I have decided works best for me in hopes of giving the OP something to chew on.
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Originally Posted by moxfyre
I think this might be a good explanation for why a fixie rider perceives that he/she can feel the traction so well. What do you guys think? ILTB included
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
My take on this "advantage" is that it is of little significance since it it is loss of front wheel traction that will drop any cyclist first.
However, I think the advantage I discussed can greatly increases a cyclist's PERCEPTION of traction, which can make you feel more confident and get a better overall sense of the road conditions during the first few minutes of a ride.
I believe that fixie riders do indeed have a better sense of the traction under their wheel, and this gives a heightened sense of connection with the road. Whether this actually translates into avoiding crashes and skids is perhaps less clear.
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Originally Posted by comradehoser
I'd like to point out that contrary to I-Like-To-*****'s paranoid delusions of shock troops of monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas conspiring to usurp, silence, and trackstand all over all that is good, right, and internally geared in the world
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
No need to point out what I don't believe. What I do believe is that nobody else gives a poop what monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas do. And nobody takes their bicycling advice seriously except for monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas wanna-bees.
Ride what you like, everybody. If it's safe, fun, and gets the job done, it is The Right Bike in my book.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas
Yes, I'm missing 2 front teef in that picture. I now have dental implants. Yipee for water parks.
Now, what where you saying about monocog-using, no-braking, messenger-bag slinging, shants-wearing, cycle-cap doffing fashionistas?
I ride fixed gear because its practical and fun.