Cops Taze, Run Over Cyclist in Florida
10-09-09, 03:38 PM
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You are correct!
And, obviously, his Dad was one cop who used his brain.
Obviously, because, he raised an offspring who is capable of the same thing - and is the type we need as LEO's.
And, obviously, his Dad was one cop who used his brain.
Obviously, because, he raised an offspring who is capable of the same thing - and is the type we need as LEO's.
10-09-09, 04:33 PM
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It should be: "Guilty till proven innocent...if they don't run you over first."
For every cop that gets away with shooting somebody who didn't do anything, or running them over, a whole force of others gets the message that they can get away with murder.
Supposing your kid, or nephew, or whoever, gets into a little mischief--as kids sometimes do--and runs from the cops in a panic when his friends yell "run!!!"? Would you be comfortable knowing that the cop who shoots him might get stuck on desk duty for a week as punishment--if at all--as opposed to being held to the same rule of law as any other murderer?
For every cop that gets away with shooting somebody who didn't do anything, or running them over, a whole force of others gets the message that they can get away with murder.
Supposing your kid, or nephew, or whoever, gets into a little mischief--as kids sometimes do--and runs from the cops in a panic when his friends yell "run!!!"? Would you be comfortable knowing that the cop who shoots him might get stuck on desk duty for a week as punishment--if at all--as opposed to being held to the same rule of law as any other murderer?
10-10-09, 05:30 AM
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10-12-09, 06:57 AM
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When I was a kid growing up in Wythenshawe, if you didn't run from the cops they would take it as a sign of disrespect and mess with you.
10-12-09, 09:29 AM
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this made me laugh at loud at my desk. I always ran away from the cops when I was a kid but it wasn't a sign of respect, I was just always up to no good. I personally don't see a problem with a cop chasing someone down who is trying to flee them and tazering them if they feel it is neccessary. However, if that person is trying to flee on a bike then that same tazer goes from being a non lethal force to a possibly lethal force and then should not be used merely to subdue a fleeing suspect. Just my opinion anyways.
10-12-09, 12:11 PM
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The officer in question could have used their car to block the cyclist (I'm not saying to ram the cyclist just to block him/her) then if they were still not following the instructions given to them by the LEO the LEO could have tased or pepper sprayed the cyclist. Using their patrol car as a barrier or shield between them and the cyclist.
10-12-09, 01:08 PM
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I strongly agree with all officer’s being issued tazer’s because I think it is the best intermediate weapon when used correctly. Yes of course the officer might be 100% right in his actions we don’t know, but I am discussing my thought with a fellow police officer using a tazer as a stopping tool for someone riding a bike while the officer was driving a squad car.
10-12-09, 01:21 PM
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Since we are speculating here, lets pretend that the kid was doing something bigger than just theft. Lets say that he was up to really no good that can cause loss of life to the constrution workers, no matter it may be. The cop saw him and decided to not pursue the matter and just let him go. The next day someone else died, the suspect is gone and unknown, the media announces that the cop saw something, could've prevented the matter but decided to do nothing. What will your reaction be then? Will it be, "Thats right, the cop did the right thing by not pursuing the suspect. How could he possibly known? Our cops are trained well!"
Riiiiighhttt.
Riiiiighhttt.
- contact the construction company
- conduct an inspection of the site to make sure that it is still safe (although safe is a relative term at a construction site) for the workers
- search for the person or persons of interest in the event that there was vandalism or sabotage
10-12-09, 01:29 PM
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Death is a possibility when people decide to flee or resist arrest. Most are by accidents and some are intentional. This case is most likely accidental.
Police cooperation is the key here.
Bottom line is if the suspect did not flee he will most likely be alive. People condoning a suspects action and blaming the police for their reaction has always been an enigma to me. Do you really believe that the kid will be dead today if he had stopped and manned up to his mistake?
Police cooperation is the key here.
Bottom line is if the suspect did not flee he will most likely be alive. People condoning a suspects action and blaming the police for their reaction has always been an enigma to me. Do you really believe that the kid will be dead today if he had stopped and manned up to his mistake?
"Manning up" is something that is reasonable action for an adult, but not a child. And isn't childhood/adolescence suppose to be the time children/kids to make mistakes and learn from them?
10-12-09, 01:49 PM
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The short answer is that there are some mistakes that can get you killed or in serious legal trouble... No kid - or adult - should be making those.
10-12-09, 02:18 PM
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Lets see.....Cop sees guy in place he didn't belong at 2am... Guy chose to flee. Cop turns on lights and guy doesn't stop....Cop screams at guy....guy didn't stop....Guy pulls some funky manuver while cop is trying to stop him in a nonleathal manner (taser) and crashes and gets run over........ Guy got killed fleeing the cops.
Whats the problem here?
I am real tired of the "cop is always wrong attitude" some idiots have. Especialy before all the facts are out. Same idiots who say "the cops suck for not getting the criminal that did them wrong" more then likely.
If the guy had stopped the first 10 times when told he would be alive.
End of story till the investigation is completed.
Whats the problem here?
I am real tired of the "cop is always wrong attitude" some idiots have. Especialy before all the facts are out. Same idiots who say "the cops suck for not getting the criminal that did them wrong" more then likely.
If the guy had stopped the first 10 times when told he would be alive.
End of story till the investigation is completed.
10-13-09, 03:52 AM
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Yeah - the "tries to stop in nonlethal manner" bit of the argument fails completely. There's no such thing as a non-lethal weapon because every weapon has a risk; there's only "less lethal". But when you fire a less lethal weapon out the window of a car at someone riding a bike right next to you, you're cranking up the lethality again!
10-13-09, 03:56 AM
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A lot of these comments follow the classic pattern of blaming the victim: If the "suspect" hadn't run from the cops, he'd be alive, therefore he's responsible for his own death.
Perhaps he'd be alive, but that doesn't change a thing about the cop's behavior and responsibility for the death.
Many self-defense courses tell you to give a mugger your money and don't try to fight back, telling you it's not worth your life. If you do fight back, and the mugger kills you, does that get the mugger off the hook for murder?
Perhaps he'd be alive, but that doesn't change a thing about the cop's behavior and responsibility for the death.
Many self-defense courses tell you to give a mugger your money and don't try to fight back, telling you it's not worth your life. If you do fight back, and the mugger kills you, does that get the mugger off the hook for murder?
10-13-09, 01:56 PM
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A lot of these comments follow the classic pattern of blaming the victim: If the "suspect" hadn't run from the cops, he'd be alive, therefore he's responsible for his own death.
Perhaps he'd be alive, but that doesn't change a thing about the cop's behavior and responsibility for the death.
Many self-defense courses tell you to give a mugger your money and don't try to fight back, telling you it's not worth your life. If you do fight back, and the mugger kills you, does that get the mugger off the hook for murder?
Perhaps he'd be alive, but that doesn't change a thing about the cop's behavior and responsibility for the death.
Many self-defense courses tell you to give a mugger your money and don't try to fight back, telling you it's not worth your life. If you do fight back, and the mugger kills you, does that get the mugger off the hook for murder?
Chewbacca defense already?
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10-13-09, 01:58 PM
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Yeah - the "tries to stop in nonlethal manner" bit of the argument fails completely. There's no such thing as a non-lethal weapon because every weapon has a risk; there's only "less lethal". But when you fire a less lethal weapon out the window of a car at someone riding a bike right next to you, you're cranking up the lethality again!
It is not a big deal if you don't make it a big deal.
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10-13-09, 02:24 PM
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10-13-09, 02:27 PM
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I have many friends and relatives in Law Enforcement, and am quite involved myself.
Just don't forget that it always works both ways.
The Cop is not supposed to do anyting stupid, either.........
Sadly, that's not always the case.
I wonder if we will ever see the end result of any subsequent investigations.....
Just don't forget that it always works both ways.
The Cop is not supposed to do anyting stupid, either.........
Sadly, that's not always the case.
I wonder if we will ever see the end result of any subsequent investigations.....
10-13-09, 07:41 PM
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b) your comment is completely idiotic and adds nothing to the discussion.
Please try harder.
