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Red light runner
Yep...turned out to be me today.
I was riding back from my daughter's High School after dropping the car off in her parking space, and caught the red light (2 residential streets intersecting). This is one of the rare lights in my area that will actually change for a bicycle, and as I was doing my best imitation of a track stand...an SUV stops facing me across the intersection. The light hits yellow for the cross traffic (none in sight) I wait for the 2 beats it usually takes to turn and proceed.
The gentleman in the SUV (off duty police officer from his patch on the uniform sleeve?) says, "you know...you can't just run a red light like that."
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...................................................then It finally dawns on me (facepalm) that it's almost 3 pm and there is a longish pause wherein the lights are red in all directions while pedestrian lights are lit.
I nod and mean to say, "you're absolutely right." but just the nod comes to the surface.
If you're a member of BF, Officer......"Mea Culpa. I don't make a practice of it."
I was riding back from my daughter's High School after dropping the car off in her parking space, and caught the red light (2 residential streets intersecting). This is one of the rare lights in my area that will actually change for a bicycle, and as I was doing my best imitation of a track stand...an SUV stops facing me across the intersection. The light hits yellow for the cross traffic (none in sight) I wait for the 2 beats it usually takes to turn and proceed.
The gentleman in the SUV (off duty police officer from his patch on the uniform sleeve?) says, "you know...you can't just run a red light like that."
............................................
...................................................then It finally dawns on me (facepalm) that it's almost 3 pm and there is a longish pause wherein the lights are red in all directions while pedestrian lights are lit.
I nod and mean to say, "you're absolutely right." but just the nod comes to the surface.
If you're a member of BF, Officer......"Mea Culpa. I don't make a practice of it."
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Confession time: while I am one who claims to never running red lights, there is one intersection like this on my commute...if someone pushes the "I want to cross the street" button, then when the cross street lights turn red, there is about 5 seconds to give pedestrians a head start, and I usually start riding when the walk signal appears. My feeble, non-legal justification is: I'm exiting a residential area and there is almost never anyone behind me, and 99% of oncoming traffic is turning left, and they would probably appreciate my clearing the intersection before their light turns green.
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Witness the stop sign haiku in my sig. I kind of treat signals the same. In general, if I have a reasonable expectation of getting the light to turn, I'll wait. There are a few, though, that I know don't change for bcycles, so I wait until the way is exceedingly clear and go through. Once or twice, the next car through the intersection will be a cop and they haven't stopped me yet. My feeling is that if I am not even close to violating another vehicle's right of way, it falls under no harm, no foul. And honestly, most transportation cyclists around here don't follow the traffic laws near as closely as I do.
But yeah... getting called out? That would embarrass me.
But yeah... getting called out? That would embarrass me.
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I follow traffic rules if there are cars around. Otherwise, I treat it as a stop sign.
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I've seen a surprising number ( four or five ) of cars run red lights in the past week. I don't mean the way cars normally run reds, where as long as the driver was close enough to see the light before it was red, it's ok to proceed. What I mean is I keep seeing cars come to a light, stop, and then go while it's still red. It's odd to see a driver acknowledge a red light before running it; this is how bikes run lights.
Must be a full moon.
Must be a full moon.
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In my city, the car drivers have a really courteous attitude to cyclists. So, I always stop at reds - not wanting anyone to perceive me as a scofflaw.
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I stop at stop lights because it would be suiside to try to go through any of the busy intersections that I have to cross. The only time I have gone through a red is when I am crossing at the top of a "T" intersection.
I do admit that I will sometimes go against traffic on the sidewalk to make a "left" turn because the traffic lights don't detect a bike in the left turn lane.
I do admit that I will sometimes go against traffic on the sidewalk to make a "left" turn because the traffic lights don't detect a bike in the left turn lane.
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I ran the same red light twice (once each way) Saturday. I'm pretty sure my bike won't trip it, so I waited for an opening and ran it.
I agree with itsthewoo though, I treat them as stop signs if there are no cars around. Otherwise I obey the lights, if they'll change for me.
I agree with itsthewoo though, I treat them as stop signs if there are no cars around. Otherwise I obey the lights, if they'll change for me.
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There is no set rule for me. I make the decision at the light.
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I will stop at a red light and run it if it doesn't turn green for me. This has happened to me the past 3 days on my morning commute. I stop waiting for the left turn signal to turn green but it never does for bicycles on this one intersection.
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I stop for red lights unless it's that stupid long one on Sunday morning where I'm the only person on the road. Forget it. If a bike runs a red light at 6:45am when everybody is asleep, does anybody see it? Nope!
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I usually just avoid light controlled intersections whenever possible...by going up or down a block.
Sometimes, though, you have no other choice.
Sometimes, though, you have no other choice.
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I guess the key is everybody is asleep. My neighbor got a ticket on a Sunday morning for running a string of red lights on his bike on empty streets. The only person awake was a cop who had nothing else to do.
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(Plus, traffic is light enough here, in the least populous state, that there's honestly no advantage to filtering and running lights (poetically similar to what we cyclists say of motorists who pass us impatiently))
It's spoiling me. Expect a fuming rant when I move back to the Big City.
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My feeling is that if I am not even close to violating another vehicle's right of way, it falls under no harm, no foul. And honestly, most transportation cyclists around here don't follow the traffic laws near as closely as I do.
But yeah... getting called out? That would embarrass me.
But yeah... getting called out? That would embarrass me.
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If one runs a red light in the city that nobody sees does one actually run a red light? Just askin'...
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I try to obey traffic laws as much as possible. I feel like a dick running red lights in my city just because other cyclists doing it look like dicks in my eyes. So I try to avoid roads with lights because they can slow my progress immensely. I can see the other side of the coin if you have no other alternative route without lights, and it is safe to proceed. You might get a ticket though.
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I try to obey traffic laws as much as possible. I feel like a dick running red lights in my city just because other cyclists doing it look like dicks in my eyes. So I try to avoid roads with lights because they can slow my progress immensely. I can see the other side of the coin if you have no other alternative route without lights, and it is safe to proceed. You might get a ticket though.
Yesterday I saw a cop get to an intersection when the light was red, turn on flashers, and make a right turn (no right on red on the island of Montreal). Not that I was surprised...
In general enforcement is pretty lax. It's technically against the law to ride without lights at night, but many cyclists do not have lights around here, and I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket.
Edit: Though to be fair how do you give someone a ticket if you can't see them
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