Red Light Runners, do your worst.
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Red Light Runners, do your worst.
Well,
We have some new laws down here. It has always been fairly strict, if they bother with you. But, as of this past July possible penalties for running a light on a bicycle are 3 months in jail and/or 550 USD fine. I wonder how long Joeybike would go in my neck of the woods before getting busted.
Anyways, I've dreaded this for years but today I finally counted my traffic signals. All 87 of them, ONE WAY
I wonder if it's worth the 3 months
We have some new laws down here. It has always been fairly strict, if they bother with you. But, as of this past July possible penalties for running a light on a bicycle are 3 months in jail and/or 550 USD fine. I wonder how long Joeybike would go in my neck of the woods before getting busted.
Anyways, I've dreaded this for years but today I finally counted my traffic signals. All 87 of them, ONE WAY
I wonder if it's worth the 3 months
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ouch! that's 21 years 9 months in jail... one way!
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Red light laws should actually move to lessen restrictions on cyclists, since running a light with your 25 pound bicycle is such a minimal threat compared to running one with a 3,000 pound car. This is exactly why Idaho (idaho stop) allows cyclists to treat them as stop signs....which really makes a lot of sense and decreases motorist angst when cyclists stop and then pass through a light.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I don't understand this line of thinking other than appeasing an angry mob of motorists -- which is a stupid way to provide for peoples' safety.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I don't understand this line of thinking other than appeasing an angry mob of motorists -- which is a stupid way to provide for peoples' safety.
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Red light laws should actually move to lessen restrictions on cyclists, since running a light with your 25 pound bicycle is such a minimal threat compared to running one with a 3,000 pound car. This is exactly why Idaho (idaho stop) allows cyclists to treat them as stop signs....which really makes a lot of sense and decreases motorist angst when cyclists stop and then pass through a light.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I don't understand this line of thinking other than appeasing an angry mob of motorists -- which is a stupid way to provide for peoples' safety.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I don't understand this line of thinking other than appeasing an angry mob of motorists -- which is a stupid way to provide for peoples' safety.
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I keep dreading a law like that around here, they tried to get rid of the current cyclist stop and go but it didn't end up getting passed thank god. I can even imagine how much time that would add to your ride, even if you only got stuck at half them thats still 40 lights.
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You are correct, but the fact that running a light on a 25 pound bike can put you directly in the path of a 3,000 pound car seems to have slipped from the logically obvious part of the equation in your math.
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I keep dreading a law like that around here, they tried to get rid of the current cyclist stop and go but it didn't end up getting passed thank god. I can even imagine how much time that would add to your ride, even if you only got stuck at half them thats still 40 lights.
This topic has been beaten pretty badly on here before though, so we'll see.
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I'm sure the rationale is just like helmet laws. It's there to protect you from yourself. If they penalize everyone who runs a red light enough, they think it will make the idiots who run red lights into crossing traffic think twice. Problem is, those idiots aren't thinking once.
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I'm sure the rationale is just like helmet laws. It's there to protect you from yourself. If they penalize everyone who runs a red light enough, they think it will make the idiots who run red lights into crossing traffic think twice. Problem is, those idiots aren't thinking once.
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Red light laws should actually move to lessen restrictions on cyclists, since running a light with your 25 pound bicycle is such a minimal threat compared to running one with a 3,000 pound car. This is exactly why Idaho (idaho stop) allows cyclists to treat them as stop signs....which really makes a lot of sense and decreases motorist angst when cyclists stop and then pass through a light.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I mean, really, if average cyclist gets to an intersection of a 6 lane road on a bike, stops, and seeing nothing coming, proceeds, as a 45 MPH car is approaching from beyond immediate line of sight, there's no possible way that he'll reach the intersection before the bike clears, right?
I'm not saying I'm not sympathetic... or that I never run reds. But I watch cyclist run reds every day in ways that cause other vehicles to have to deviate from their path when they (the cars) have right of way. Sure, I know you're responsible, and would never do that... but not every cyclist is. This merely gives the authorities a big stick with which to punish the irresponsible.
Of course, as the saying goes, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
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Red light laws should actually move to lessen restrictions on cyclists, since running a light with your 25 pound bicycle is such a minimal threat compared to running one with a 3,000 pound car. This is exactly why Idaho (idaho stop) allows cyclists to treat them as stop signs....which really makes a lot of sense and decreases motorist angst when cyclists stop and then pass through a light.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I don't understand this line of thinking other than appeasing an angry mob of motorists -- which is a stupid way to provide for peoples' safety.
Note: I said stop, then pass through the light.
I don't understand this line of thinking other than appeasing an angry mob of motorists -- which is a stupid way to provide for peoples' safety.
21 years in prison? Hari Kari time...
In all seriousness, the Idaho stop law, is the best. Also, the stop sign yield as well. Makes so much sense, proof that potatoes do raise IQ!
Colorado doesn't have such laws, bikes are basically legally the same as motor vehicles, with exceptions (e.g. we can ride on sidewalks - here in my neck of the woods, sidewalks are bascially big MUPs since there is not much ped traffic).
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I must be dumber than I ever thought. I just don't get the debate. If the law in your area says red lights apply to cyclists, then where's the issue? It's the law. Since when do you get to decide which laws you obey? Where do you draw the line on which laws apply to you?
Here's my thinking... if I "Idaho stop" a red light, even though I felt it was safe, and the unthinkable happens, I get hit, and for the sake of argument, killed. Yeah, I was a stupid cyclist that ignored the traffic laws and paid for it with my life, but there's also the other person to consider. They now have to go the rest of their lives knowing they killed someone. Maybe I'm a wuss, call me a sissy if you want, but if I was the driver, that would bother and haunt me the rest of my life.
/flame suit on
Here's my thinking... if I "Idaho stop" a red light, even though I felt it was safe, and the unthinkable happens, I get hit, and for the sake of argument, killed. Yeah, I was a stupid cyclist that ignored the traffic laws and paid for it with my life, but there's also the other person to consider. They now have to go the rest of their lives knowing they killed someone. Maybe I'm a wuss, call me a sissy if you want, but if I was the driver, that would bother and haunt me the rest of my life.
/flame suit on
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After I saw someone bravely crossing street... on complete darkness, wearing dark clothing, no reflector or lights and almost got hit by both side of traffic by maybe a second of gaps each (I only saw him as he got caught on my front see light... it was dark T type intersection)... (and no, he didn't stop for the stop sign even when there were cars around)... I dunno.
I also cringe at the idea of the immediate 2 drivers starting to having even lower esteem of cyclist in general thanks to this one moron... Maybe it should be as some people mentions... natural selection.
I also cringe at the idea of the immediate 2 drivers starting to having even lower esteem of cyclist in general thanks to this one moron... Maybe it should be as some people mentions... natural selection.
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Don't stop for lights.... Should this be applied to motorcycles too?
One local cyclist was charged for causing an accident not stopping at a light. A oncoming car had to swerve and hit something/someone as a result.
One local cyclist was charged for causing an accident not stopping at a light. A oncoming car had to swerve and hit something/someone as a result.
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Besides, even a pedestrian is supposed to wait for a green light at a traffic controlled intersection. I'm not sure why there should be a special exception for bikes.
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That local cyclist was doing it wrong. It's acceptable for cyclists to run lights and signs when the intersection is clear. Trying (and, in this case, failing) to steal the right of way is a different issue.
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Red lights are the law here. What is so difficult to understand about this?
The self-entitled notion that cyclists are exempt from the traffic rules that everyone else must follow is why people think cyclists are smug jerks. Obey the rules and maybe cyclists as a group will gain some credibility.
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Most of the time, I'll pull to the right, stop, and if it's clear I'll just swing into the crosswalk for a moment.
Much better than being at the head of a line of impatient New Englanders when the light turns green.
Besides, even a pedestrian is supposed to wait for a green light at a traffic controlled intersection. I'm not sure why there should be a special exception for bikes.
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Why not just wait for the green light? I don't understand why everyone is in such a hurry. That's what I like about riding a bicycle. I know I have to allow more travel time, and I don't tend to make my timing quite as tight. And I'm less tense as a result.
Besides, even a pedestrian is supposed to wait for a green light at a traffic controlled intersection. I'm not sure why there should be a special exception for bikes.
Besides, even a pedestrian is supposed to wait for a green light at a traffic controlled intersection. I'm not sure why there should be a special exception for bikes.
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Red lights are the law here. What is so difficult to understand about this?
The self-entitled notion that cyclists are exempt from the traffic rules that everyone else must follow is why people think cyclists are smug jerks. Obey the rules and maybe cyclists as a group will gain some credibility.
The self-entitled notion that cyclists are exempt from the traffic rules that everyone else must follow is why people think cyclists are smug jerks. Obey the rules and maybe cyclists as a group will gain some credibility.
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Harutz, you're in Mass. Check out Mass. General Laws Part I, Title XIV, Chap. 85, Section 11B. You can be fined for this.
The important part is "shall be subject to the traffic laws and regulations of the commonwealth" within the first sentence.
Jaywalking is illegal in most places. Some states have made cell phone use illegal while driving. In Mass. cyclists who run red lights are also breaking the law. It would be nice to pick and choose which laws you think should apply to yourself.
The important part is "shall be subject to the traffic laws and regulations of the commonwealth" within the first sentence.
Jaywalking is illegal in most places. Some states have made cell phone use illegal while driving. In Mass. cyclists who run red lights are also breaking the law. It would be nice to pick and choose which laws you think should apply to yourself.