I must be dumber than I ever thought. I just don't get the debate. If the law in your area says red lights apply to cyclists, then where's the issue? It's the law. Since when do you get to decide which laws you obey? Where do you draw the line on which laws apply to you?

Here's my thinking... if I "Idaho stop" a red light, even though I felt it was safe, and the unthinkable happens, I get hit, and for the sake of argument, killed. Yeah, I was a stupid cyclist that ignored the traffic laws and paid for it with my life, but there's also the other person to consider. They now have to go the rest of their lives knowing they killed someone. Maybe I'm a wuss, call me a sissy if you want, but if I was the driver, that would bother and haunt me the rest of my life.

/flame suit on