Young people not getting drivers licenses
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^ That's one reason I'd be okay with bicycle licensing. Restrict unaccompanied on-road riding to those over 12 and make them get a license. Wouldn't affect kids or people who just want to ride in the park or on trails, but would make on-road cyclists aware of the rules of the road and hopefully lead to happier roads for everyone.
As experience with motorists prove, licensing doesn't guaranty knowledge or skill, so instead of licensing we should cut to the chase and talk about education, including ongoing education via PSAs.
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Why not save the time, effort and expense of maintaining a licensing structure, and simply have some of one time good for life course. Even if people forget the particulars, they'll at least remember that there things to know about riding safely in traffic. It doesn't even have to be a separate thing, simply squeezed into school curriculum.
As experience with motorists prove, licensing doesn't guaranty knowledge or skill, so instead of licensing we should cut to the chase and talk about education, including ongoing education via PSAs.
As experience with motorists prove, licensing doesn't guaranty knowledge or skill, so instead of licensing we should cut to the chase and talk about education, including ongoing education via PSAs.
I'd love to see a requirement for drivers to ride a bike on the road as part of their training. I know it made me a much safer driver once I started commuting by bike.
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Just pretend it is a link to the huffington post. If you're too good to even watch the video how can you jump to the conclusion that it is void of any facts or knowledge to impart to you?
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I will let others clicky-click on every URL that gets posted, even when it it is to a known prime source of BS. My conclusion stands that there are no bike commuting issues being discussed on this thread, just more car culture yaking w/o bicycle commuting content.
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My favorite stupid driver event was when I watched someone drive to the store to pick up some milk, then drive to the corner, make a U-turn and park almost exactly across the street to pick up the morning paper, jump back in the car and drive about 1/2 block to pick up bagels. Parked 3 times and made one U-turn to visit 3 stores within about 50 yards of each other. Since he never parked exactly in front of the stores, he probably walked more then if he would have if he parked just once.
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I do think it is valuable to learn to drive and get a license even if you don't plan to have a car but do plan to be a cyclist on the roads, as roads are primarily dominated with cars.
I also think part of getting your drivers license should be riding a bike in traffic to learn first hand what its like. Maybe then drivers would be more sensitive to cyclists.
I also think part of getting your drivers license should be riding a bike in traffic to learn first hand what its like. Maybe then drivers would be more sensitive to cyclists.
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I've read that one of the contributing factors to this trend among young people is they can't operate their smartphones while driving. Many prefer to use public transportation simply because they can phone-surf for the entire trip.
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I just got my learners permit a few days ago and should have my license by January. I'll be 20 on the 13th of January. Cars are an interest of mine but driving where I live doesn't seem necessary. The only thing that pushed me to get my license is Highway Patrol.. which obviously wouldn't work without a license..
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I'm 24 and have managed without a license this far. Will have get one though as pretty much all employers require you to have one. Absolutely no interest in cars and i rather get around by other means of transportation.
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I am car-free and I still have my drivers license. I think it's important to have a drivers license even if somebody doesn't own a vehicle. Drivers license is a good piece of ID, another thing to consider is that not having drivers license will limit your employment oppurtinities.
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And emergencies arise in which you may need to drive (legally) when you typically don't.
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I have three kids, aged 24, 21, and 17 - there's one learner's permit between them.
My oldest has no desire for a DL. She prefers the bus, walking, or biking.
My oldest has no desire for a DL. She prefers the bus, walking, or biking.
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I work with youth and rarely see any of them getting licenses before they are at least 18. My sons both got theirs at 16 (they are 21 & 23 now). Both use a combination of driving, cycling and public transit. My sons have shared a car and that has worked out well for all of us. Younger son now has it to himself as older son is working in Rwanda for a year.
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