Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Young people not getting drivers licenses

Search
Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Young people not getting drivers licenses

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-09-13 | 10:38 AM
  #26  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Originally Posted by spivonious
^ That's one reason I'd be okay with bicycle licensing. Restrict unaccompanied on-road riding to those over 12 and make them get a license. Wouldn't affect kids or people who just want to ride in the park or on trails, but would make on-road cyclists aware of the rules of the road and hopefully lead to happier roads for everyone.
Why not save the time, effort and expense of maintaining a licensing structure, and simply have some of one time good for life course. Even if people forget the particulars, they'll at least remember that there things to know about riding safely in traffic. It doesn't even have to be a separate thing, simply squeezed into school curriculum.

As experience with motorists prove, licensing doesn't guaranty knowledge or skill, so instead of licensing we should cut to the chase and talk about education, including ongoing education via PSAs.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 10:50 AM
  #27  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 0
From: Lancaster, PA, USA

Bikes: 2012 Trek Allant, 2016 Bianchi Volpe Disc

Originally Posted by FBinNY
Why not save the time, effort and expense of maintaining a licensing structure, and simply have some of one time good for life course. Even if people forget the particulars, they'll at least remember that there things to know about riding safely in traffic. It doesn't even have to be a separate thing, simply squeezed into school curriculum.

As experience with motorists prove, licensing doesn't guaranty knowledge or skill, so instead of licensing we should cut to the chase and talk about education, including ongoing education via PSAs.
Even with a one-time course, you'd still need some way to track that it had been completed. I also agree that we need to make motorist licensing much more stringent, similar to how the UK does things. The current system hands out licenses to people who can drive around the block without hitting anything.

I'd love to see a requirement for drivers to ride a bike on the road as part of their training. I know it made me a much safer driver once I started commuting by bike.
spivonious is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 10:51 AM
  #28  
RPK79's Avatar
Custom User Title
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 11,239
Likes: 35
From: SE MN

Bikes: Fuji Roubaix Pro & Quintana Roo Kilo

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Watch a video from Foxnews for facts or to learn anything? No thanks. Needless to say, none of the comments following post#1 discuss bike commuting. I suspect most bike commuters on this list do have driver's licenses and [shudder shudder] do drive cars.
Just pretend it is a link to the huffington post. If you're too good to even watch the video how can you jump to the conclusion that it is void of any facts or knowledge to impart to you?
RPK79 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 12:37 PM
  #29  
I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
Been Around Awhile
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 30,667
Likes: 1,982
From: Burlington Iowa

Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi

Originally Posted by RPK79
Just pretend it is a link to the huffington post. If you're too good to even watch the video how can you jump to the conclusion that it is void of any facts or knowledge to impart to you?
I will let others clicky-click on every URL that gets posted, even when it it is to a known prime source of BS. My conclusion stands that there are no bike commuting issues being discussed on this thread, just more car culture yaking w/o bicycle commuting content.
I-Like-To-Bike is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 02:58 PM
  #30  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 430
Likes: 0
From: southeastern PA - a mile west of Philadelphia
Originally Posted by tcs
...From what I've seen, the drop in licensing actually tracks pretty well with teen/twenty-something student debt and un/under-employment combined with increasing costs (purchase, fuel, insurance, etc) of auto ownership. As we used to say: Follow the money!
+1
Gnosis is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 04:14 PM
  #31  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 596
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by FBinNY
My favorite stupid driver event was when I watched someone drive to the store to pick up some milk, then drive to the corner, make a U-turn and park almost exactly across the street to pick up the morning paper, jump back in the car and drive about 1/2 block to pick up bagels. Parked 3 times and made one U-turn to visit 3 stores within about 50 yards of each other. Since he never parked exactly in front of the stores, he probably walked more then if he would have if he parked just once.
It could have been worse, he could have done this in two separate trips from home. I understand a car is convenient for many our our errands, even those that are within a potential biking or walking distance. It will be hard to convince many people to bike or walk instead of drive, but if they could at least plan their trips to be more efficient. It amazes me how many people will run out of the house multiple times a day to run errands that could have been combined in one trip.
mstraus is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 04:18 PM
  #32  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 596
Likes: 0
I do think it is valuable to learn to drive and get a license even if you don't plan to have a car but do plan to be a cyclist on the roads, as roads are primarily dominated with cars.

I also think part of getting your drivers license should be riding a bike in traffic to learn first hand what its like. Maybe then drivers would be more sensitive to cyclists.
mstraus is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 04:36 PM
  #33  
Brennan's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 697
Likes: 12
From: Midwest USA

Bikes: Surly X√, Trek Earl

I've read that one of the contributing factors to this trend among young people is they can't operate their smartphones while driving. Many prefer to use public transportation simply because they can phone-surf for the entire trip.
Brennan is offline  
Reply
Old 12-09-13 | 10:25 PM
  #34  
Axiom's Avatar
Fat Cyclist
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 673
Likes: 1
From: Florida

Bikes: '11 Cannondale SuperSix Dura-Ace

I just got my learners permit a few days ago and should have my license by January. I'll be 20 on the 13th of January. Cars are an interest of mine but driving where I live doesn't seem necessary. The only thing that pushed me to get my license is Highway Patrol.. which obviously wouldn't work without a license..
Axiom is offline  
Reply
Old 12-10-13 | 03:15 AM
  #35  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
From: Europe
I'm 24 and have managed without a license this far. Will have get one though as pretty much all employers require you to have one. Absolutely no interest in cars and i rather get around by other means of transportation.
psee is offline  
Reply
Old 12-10-13 | 05:49 AM
  #36  
bmontgomery87's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 997
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, Va

Bikes: 2013 leader 721. 2015 leader 725. 2012 fuji feather

Originally Posted by wolfchild
I am car-free and I still have my drivers license. I think it's important to have a drivers license even if somebody doesn't own a vehicle. Drivers license is a good piece of ID, another thing to consider is that not having drivers license will limit your employment oppurtinities.

This.
And emergencies arise in which you may need to drive (legally) when you typically don't.
bmontgomery87 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-10-13 | 06:39 AM
  #37  
FenderTL5's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
From: Nashville TN

Bikes: Trek 7.3FX, Diamondback Edgewood hybrid, KHS Montana

I have three kids, aged 24, 21, and 17 - there's one learner's permit between them.
My oldest has no desire for a DL. She prefers the bus, walking, or biking.
FenderTL5 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-10-13 | 10:39 AM
  #38  
I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
Been Around Awhile
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 30,667
Likes: 1,982
From: Burlington Iowa

Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi

Originally Posted by FenderTL5
I have three kids, aged 24, 21, and 17 - there's one learner's permit between them.
My oldest has no desire for a DL. She prefers the bus, walking, or biking.
Do the "kids" prefer to live at home or in the dorm?
I-Like-To-Bike is offline  
Reply
Old 12-10-13 | 11:35 AM
  #39  
CACycling's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,571
Likes: 16
From: Oxnard, CA

Bikes: 2009 Fuji Roubaix RC; 2011 Fuji Cross 2.0; '92 Diamond Back Ascent EX

I work with youth and rarely see any of them getting licenses before they are at least 18. My sons both got theirs at 16 (they are 21 & 23 now). Both use a combination of driving, cycling and public transit. My sons have shared a car and that has worked out well for all of us. Younger son now has it to himself as older son is working in Rwanda for a year.
CACycling is offline  
Reply
Old 12-10-13 | 03:00 PM
  #40  
RubeRad's Avatar
Keepin it Wheel
10 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Active Streak: 30 Days
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,966
Likes: 5,242
From: San Diego

Bikes: Surly CrossCheck, Krampus

OP video @ 1:18, "But on the other hand, I do have to have this hair..."

Put yer fingers through it, man -- yer on camera!
RubeRad is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Sangetsu
Advocacy & Safety
34
04-08-17 09:13 AM
Walter S
Living Car Free
37
02-04-16 05:41 PM
1nterceptor
Living Car Free
128
05-11-14 03:12 PM
GeorgeBMac
Fifty Plus (50+)
46
02-19-13 08:03 PM
cehowardGS
Fifty Plus (50+)
96
04-13-11 12:55 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.