Instead of reflectors, why not make (partially) reflective frames?
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Instead of reflectors, why not make (partially) reflective frames?
The little white front and red tail reflectors that come with a newly bought bike are not only useless in most cases, but often take extra room and interfere with mounting lights etc. on handlebar and seat post. They are useless nuisance. Couldn't the manufacturers just make part of the bike frame reflective with reflective painting or reflective tapes (like many of us do)? What do you think?
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How many people ride their bikes at night?
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More than you would think. The reflectors are not so much there there for nighttime use anyhow, there are there to meet gov't regs and are a good thing anyway. Still there is no law I really know of (and I WILL be corrected) that says you can't toss them in the trash with the do not remove under penalty of law tag on your pillow and men in suits won't hogtie you and force you to push good eating habits in public service annoucements on late night TV.
I use those 1941 Columbia reproduction split red rear reflectors on mine anyhow, right near the bottom of the fender. They fade to near amber in the first place. If I give one to somebody else they usually get added small yellow/ambers near the split red and the one on the seat stays if it was there as well as the front plus any spoke-mounted ones are added or replaced as needed. THAT was for my nurse practitioner when I rebuilt a green 60s Hawthorne internal 3-speed as a single-speed with coaster brake and wider rims/tires. SHE takes good care of me so I wasn't messing around and if you want to see it go to You Tube and look up user steadfastcoward or 'Tempest The Grey Bike Grows Up' for Part 3 (Her Friends) and Il Ciclo Verde.
And to answer the original question, I've seen reflective tape on many bikes. It's easy to do yourself and you can put it where you think the most help is required as well.
I can't hurt to have an bright apple green front fork either, like Tempest does.
I use those 1941 Columbia reproduction split red rear reflectors on mine anyhow, right near the bottom of the fender. They fade to near amber in the first place. If I give one to somebody else they usually get added small yellow/ambers near the split red and the one on the seat stays if it was there as well as the front plus any spoke-mounted ones are added or replaced as needed. THAT was for my nurse practitioner when I rebuilt a green 60s Hawthorne internal 3-speed as a single-speed with coaster brake and wider rims/tires. SHE takes good care of me so I wasn't messing around and if you want to see it go to You Tube and look up user steadfastcoward or 'Tempest The Grey Bike Grows Up' for Part 3 (Her Friends) and Il Ciclo Verde.
And to answer the original question, I've seen reflective tape on many bikes. It's easy to do yourself and you can put it where you think the most help is required as well.
I can't hurt to have an bright apple green front fork either, like Tempest does.
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The little white front and red tail reflectors that come with a newly bought bike are not only useless in most cases, but often take extra room and interfere with mounting lights etc. on handlebar and seat post. They are useless nuisance. Couldn't the manufacturers just make part of the bike frame reflective with reflective painting or reflective tapes (like many of us do)? What do you think?
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I have experience ninja/salmon types that were impossible to see coming at me.
I have seen the riders that have the front/rear/pedals reflectors.
So they do Work.
I have seen the riders that have the front/rear/pedals reflectors.
So they do Work.
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I'd like to see this happen. Whether they use paint or the transparent stickers, manufacturers can economically make large areas of the frame reflective while keeping it looking good.
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Halo powder coat https://halocoatings.com/ hire a powder coat service done to your bike .
Dont wait for the 'you guys should' committee to do it for you, take care of it for yourself.
Dont wait for the 'you guys should' committee to do it for you, take care of it for yourself.
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I think that his-vis version painting could be a good option, but I don't think every one would want to have such a bike painting...
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The little white front and red tail reflectors that come with a newly bought bike are not only useless in most cases, but often take extra room and interfere with mounting lights etc. on handlebar and seat post. They are useless nuisance. Couldn't the manufacturers just make part of the bike frame reflective with reflective painting or reflective tapes (like many of us do)? What do you think?
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Some bikes are manufactured with reflective rims. It seems to me we could have standardized reflective rims and reflective spokes. They don't involve colors, so no interference with individual preferences.
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The little white front and red tail reflectors that come with a newly bought bike are not only useless in most cases, but often take extra room and interfere with mounting lights etc. on handlebar and seat post. They are useless nuisance. Couldn't the manufacturers just make part of the bike frame reflective with reflective painting or reflective tapes (like many of us do)? What do you think?
Manufactures conform to those specs.
Lobby CPSC to change specs.
"[h=4]Are there requirements for reflectors?[/h]
Yes. To make sure that motorists can see bicycle riders at night, bicycles (other than sidewalk bicycles) must have a combination of reflectors. Because of the complexity of these requirements, we have not attempted to include all of the tests and detail in this summary. You should carefully read the provisions of §1512.16 for more specific information.
Generally, bicycles must have a colorless front reflector, recessed colorless or amber reflectors on the back and front sides of the pedals, and a red reflector on the rear. They must also have a reflector mounted on the spokes of each wheel, or reflective front and rear wheel rims or tire sidewalls. See §1512.18(n) for tests that measure the reflectance value of reflectors.
The front and rear reflectors must be mounted so that they do not hit the ground when the bicycle falls over. The requirements of the regulation also include specific angles for mounting the reflectors. See §1512.18(m) for tests that apply to front and rear reflectors.
The side reflector on a front wheel must be colorless or amber, and the rear wheel side reflector must be colorless or red. Reflective material on the sidewall or rim of a tire must go around the entire circumference, must not peel, scrape, or rub off, and must meet certain reflectance tests. See §1512.18(o) for these reflectance tests and §1512.18(r) for the abrasion test for reflective rims."
https://www.cpsc.gov/en/Business--Man...-Requirements/
Good luck w/ that.
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What makes you think that "The little white front and red tail reflectors that come with a newly bought bike are not only useless in most cases"? Those ref fittings are designed to an old proven & well researched spec and have kept who knows how many bikes from being smacked by vehicular traffic after sunset by being fitted by CPSC mandate. Do better if you think you can.
I have zero CPSC ref kit fitted to any of my machines but think it's a good idea that the children in my neighborhood do.
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Here is an old thread on the same subject. See the picture in #32 of the spokes with reflectives? Seems to me these and reflective frames would be more efficient than the little reflectors with tiny areas and often blocked by racks or bags when mounted on the seat post.
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No problem with that. But there's also reflective technology that is essentially transparent/invisible in daylight. It doesn't change any of the color choices of the underlying frame/finish. The reflective quality only appears at night (that is, in the dark).
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Don't know if you've seen this thread, but K'Tesh has covered entire frames with reflective tape: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=reflective
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Don't know if you've seen this thread, but K'Tesh has covered entire frames with reflective tape: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=reflective
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You'd have to convince the consumer and the manufacturer to give up rim brakes then- go fixed gear, coaster, or disc. Brake pads would degrade any reflective properties of the rim sooner or later, sooner if ridden in wet, grimy conditions- especially if someone isn't OCD about cleaning.
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You'd have to convince the consumer and the manufacturer to give up rim brakes then- go fixed gear, coaster, or disc. Brake pads would degrade any reflective properties of the rim sooner or later, sooner if ridden in wet, grimy conditions- especially if someone isn't OCD about cleaning.
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E.g. this one has V-brake and the rims are said to have "reflective decal".
https://www.wiggle.com/tires/?s=reflex
Problem solved.
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Appreciate everyone's replies, but it seems only Athens80 and bbbean really get the point I'm trying to make in starting this thread.
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The people most likely not to like reflective frames are the drug dealers that ride bikes to market their wares. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want a bike that virtually glows when light hits it.
In all honesty, I don't know why when they sell someone a bike that the bicycle dealers just don't give you a peal-off card of reflective stickers. The stickers are not that expensive and would take but a moment to apply. Yep, some reflective stickers and some reflective spoke straws would go a long way to add a bit of visibility to a bike.
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Reflectors are a legal requirement in all states in the US. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are a good idea. Active lighting would be a much better requirement.
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