Citizen Gotham1 or Citizen Miami?
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Citizen Gotham1 or Citizen Miami?
I'm having trouble choosing between the two for my girlfriend. We'll be riding on flat roads, so I was wondering is there was a big difference in comfort, speed, and overall quality between the two. Weight and portability is not an issue. Also not looking for used Dahon/other brand recommendations, but I appreciate the thought. Thanks in advance!
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This place is quiet at the moment, peopel are holydaying I guess. Have not seen or tested any of the bikes so can not tell. A lot of peopel have so search the forums and read what they said.
https://www.bikeforums.net/search.php?searchid=5969623
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between the 2 i will pick a used dahon anytime of the day. citizen bikes are heavy and slow. just nice in looks but quality wise - you decide. just my 2 cents. been there done that.
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Haha. What did I say about recommending me other brands? I'm just kidding. You're right. I just bought 2011 Dahon Speed P8 today as an extra bike so she can just borrow that instead of getting a cheapie.
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Care to expound on that inaccurate sweeping generalization?
I chose the Miami over either of the Gotham models because I prefer steel frames and IMHO the Miami offered me more bang for my buck. It's certainly not in the same league as BF or Brompton but it's easily one of the better low to mid range folders I've ridden and it's inexpensive. I've gotten mixed up in impromptu group rides and have never longed for any of my other bikes despite having been the only rider on a small wheeled bike.
I chose the Miami over either of the Gotham models because I prefer steel frames and IMHO the Miami offered me more bang for my buck. It's certainly not in the same league as BF or Brompton but it's easily one of the better low to mid range folders I've ridden and it's inexpensive. I've gotten mixed up in impromptu group rides and have never longed for any of my other bikes despite having been the only rider on a small wheeled bike.
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I LOVE my Miami It is a bit portly(heavy),but slow? Methinks tht has more to do with the person pushing the pedals (no offense,vmaniqui ,but if the shoe fits... ).
I bought it earlier this year,folds easily (under 30 seconds folding or unfolding),and everythng works as it should,every time. It's easily one of the most comfy bikes I own out of several genre's of bikes (mtn bike,CX/road,folders,cargo bike,etc) whether short 3 mile rides to the grocery or 30 mile lap around town*,takes up little space** folded...GREAT bang for the buck,I wouldn't hesitate to buy another,or to recommend them-just my 2 cents worth too
*While I lived in town and rode my bikes EVERYwherethis past year,we were forced to move recently,and now live a bit further out (not quite "in the sticks",but utility,or even safe daily riding doesn't look promising).
** See "*",plus we moved into a much smaller place,all the other bikes are currently in a mini-storage rental (until I buy or build a shed/workshop here),but the Miami takes up little room,it's here
I bought it earlier this year,folds easily (under 30 seconds folding or unfolding),and everythng works as it should,every time. It's easily one of the most comfy bikes I own out of several genre's of bikes (mtn bike,CX/road,folders,cargo bike,etc) whether short 3 mile rides to the grocery or 30 mile lap around town*,takes up little space** folded...GREAT bang for the buck,I wouldn't hesitate to buy another,or to recommend them-just my 2 cents worth too
*While I lived in town and rode my bikes EVERYwherethis past year,we were forced to move recently,and now live a bit further out (not quite "in the sticks",but utility,or even safe daily riding doesn't look promising).
** See "*",plus we moved into a much smaller place,all the other bikes are currently in a mini-storage rental (until I buy or build a shed/workshop here),but the Miami takes up little room,it's here
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Care to expound on that inaccurate sweeping generalization?
I chose the Miami over either of the Gotham models because I prefer steel frames and IMHO the Miami offered me more bang for my buck. It's certainly not in the same league as BF or Brompton but it's easily one of the better low to mid range folders I've ridden and it's inexpensive. I've gotten mixed up in impromptu group rides and have never longed for any of my other bikes despite having been the only rider on a small wheeled bike.
I chose the Miami over either of the Gotham models because I prefer steel frames and IMHO the Miami offered me more bang for my buck. It's certainly not in the same league as BF or Brompton but it's easily one of the better low to mid range folders I've ridden and it's inexpensive. I've gotten mixed up in impromptu group rides and have never longed for any of my other bikes despite having been the only rider on a small wheeled bike.
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Neither, Citizen bikes manage to be overpriced even at a low level.
For new cheap folders, see Camping World. For used, try a Dahon or Downtube.
For new cheap folders, see Camping World. For used, try a Dahon or Downtube.
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Well the OP has long resolved his inquiry but just to chine in, I think a couple of the commentators failed to realize that their alternative choices is not comparing "apples to apples" but "apples to oranges" but I'll leave it at that.
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You're presenting your opinion as fact not to mention attempting to support your opinion with nonsensical comments such as "everyone knows how heavy citizen bikes are". If you want to be taken seriously at least provide some form of argument based on fact that supports your comment "citizen bikes are heavy and slow". BTW, the Tokyo is not the entire Citizen lineup so please, enlighten us as to why you think the Gotham 2 is heavy and slow.
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You're presenting your opinion as fact not to mention attempting to support your opinion with nonsensical comments such as "everyone knows how heavy citizen bikes are". If you want to be taken seriously at least provide some form of argument based on fact that supports your comment "citizen bikes are heavy and slow". BTW, the Tokyo is not the entire Citizen lineup so please, enlighten us as to why you think the Gotham 2 is heavy and slow.
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You're presenting your opinion as fact not to mention attempting to support your opinion with nonsensical comments such as "everyone knows how heavy citizen bikes are". If you want to be taken seriously at least provide some form of argument based on fact that supports your comment "citizen bikes are heavy and slow". BTW, the Tokyo is not the entire Citizen lineup so please, enlighten us as to why you think the Gotham 2 is heavy and slow.
GOTHAM1 - Weight 26 lbs / 29 lbs w/rack. Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
GOTHAM2 - Weight 28 lbs / 30 lbs w/rack Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
MIAMI - Weight 32 lbs / 34 lbs w/ rack Frame 20" steel folding frame
BARCELONA Weight 31 lbs / 32.5 lbs w/front rack 20" curved alloy folding frame with low step-over design
TOKYO - Weight 30 lbs / 32 lbs w/rack Frame 16" steel foldable frame
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from CitizenBike.com:
GOTHAM1 - Weight 26 lbs / 29 lbs w/rack. Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
GOTHAM2 - Weight 28 lbs / 30 lbs w/rack Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
MIAMI - Weight 32 lbs / 34 lbs w/ rack Frame 20" steel folding frame
BARCELONA Weight 31 lbs / 32.5 lbs w/front rack 20" curved alloy folding frame with low step-over design
TOKYO - Weight 30 lbs / 32 lbs w/rack Frame 16" steel foldable frame
GOTHAM1 - Weight 26 lbs / 29 lbs w/rack. Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
GOTHAM2 - Weight 28 lbs / 30 lbs w/rack Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
MIAMI - Weight 32 lbs / 34 lbs w/ rack Frame 20" steel folding frame
BARCELONA Weight 31 lbs / 32.5 lbs w/front rack 20" curved alloy folding frame with low step-over design
TOKYO - Weight 30 lbs / 32 lbs w/rack Frame 16" steel foldable frame
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the reason i mentioned that it was slow was because i used to have a citizen bike. i went CL and found a used Boardwalk D6. as soon as i tried it, i could tell the difference in speed. before i sold my citizen bike i checked if i could upgrade the parts. not so easy. so i just sold my Citizenbike. on my first reply, i did mention that it is just my 2 cents since i already had a citizen bike, a boardwalk d6, a boardwalk d7, an A bike, a bike friday tikit, a dahon mu xl, a dahon speed tr and a dahon curve sl. and i will keep my dahon than my citizen bike anytime of the day. here's a picture of my current 21 lbs Dahon Speed TR and my Curve SL:
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the reason i mentioned that it was slow was because i used to have a citizen bike. i went CL and found a used Boardwalk D6. as soon as i tried it, i could tell the difference in speed. before i sold my citizen bike i checked if i could upgrade the parts. not so easy. so i just sold my Citizenbike. on my first reply, i did mention that it is just my 2 cents since i already had a citizen bike, a boardwalk d6, a boardwalk d7, an A bike, a bike friday tikit, a dahon mu xl, a dahon speed tr and a dahon curve sl. and i will keep my dahon than my citizen bike anytime of the day. here's a picture of my current 21 lbs Dahon Speed TR and my Curve SL:
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from CitizenBike.com:
GOTHAM1 - Weight 26 lbs / 29 lbs w/rack. Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
GOTHAM2 - Weight 28 lbs / 30 lbs w/rack Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
MIAMI - Weight 32 lbs / 34 lbs w/ rack Frame 20" steel folding frame
BARCELONA Weight 31 lbs / 32.5 lbs w/front rack 20" curved alloy folding frame with low step-over design
TOKYO - Weight 30 lbs / 32 lbs w/rack Frame 16" steel foldable frame
GOTHAM1 - Weight 26 lbs / 29 lbs w/rack. Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
GOTHAM2 - Weight 28 lbs / 30 lbs w/rack Frame 20" hand-welded alloy folding frame
MIAMI - Weight 32 lbs / 34 lbs w/ rack Frame 20" steel folding frame
BARCELONA Weight 31 lbs / 32.5 lbs w/front rack 20" curved alloy folding frame with low step-over design
TOKYO - Weight 30 lbs / 32 lbs w/rack Frame 16" steel foldable frame
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dahon - no proprietory parts, can be easily upgraded. can be wheeled easily when folded. magnet may be a challenged as it might come loose. trick is to put a velcro to keep the body together. i always have velcros on my bikes. made in china. steel frame.
bike friday - no proprietory parts, can be upgraded. advantage to all other bikes - 5 second fold. wide when folded and ok to wheel but quite challenging as you need to balance when rolling since only one wheel can be rolled. made is usa. steel frame.
dahon mu xl. internal gear. no gear maintenance. when folded it is quite big as it has bigger body and 20" wheels. aluminum frame.
dahon curve sl - the smallest fold amongst the dahons. 8 speed internal gears and aluminum frame. this is my wife's bike. if i need to do a multi modal commute this is the bike that i will always use as it is small and will not give me any problem inside the bus.
dahon curve d3 (i forgot to add that i used to have this). fold the same way as the curve sl and frame is the same. lacking in speed as this is only 3 speeds. maybe good for flat terrains.
dahon boardwalk d6 and d7 - good for someone who is just starting with folding bikes as it got all the basic criteria - enough speed, quite fast, can be rolled when folded, not so heavy, parts can be upgraded. (see my pics below with some upgrades i did to my boardwalk. i changed the RD, cables, crankset).
honestly, between tikit and tr, i like my tr better.
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OK, so they weigh at least 10 lbs less than my mountain bike which is far from being slow... so what's your point? Hint, use descriptive sentences... maybe you can include the weights of other folding bikes of various model ranges for comparison to support your opinion.
my Dahon Speed TR weighs 21 lbs.
on my original reply - i said JUST MY 2 CENTS. my advise was based on my experience with the 2 bikes. i think that is enough and no need to elaborate. i had a citizen tokyo for awhile and had a boardwalk d6/d7. i compared them both on my body's ability to crank up the pedal. i went on the same route. and at the end of the day i can tell based on my assumption that dahon is faster than citizen. we had a speed checker on our street. on my boardwalk i clocked at 20mph and on my citizen i can't even reached 15mph even if i pedaled the same way and even if i pedaled harder. so i guess it has to do with the gearings.
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Citizen Tokyo - cassette/freewheel 14-28T
Dahon Boardwalk - cassette/freewheel 11-30T
Dahon Boardwalk - cassette/freewheel 11-30T
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I don't have the Gotham2 but my Miami is one of the bikes I use to commute to work and ride on a weekly 53 mile ride. My commute time varies slightly but is pretty much the same whether I ride either of my folders (Miami and KHS Mocha), mountain bike, fixie or road bike. However I do the 53 miler in anywhere between ~2hrs 25 min and ~2hrs 35min on my road bike and fixie (depending on weather and traffic conditions)and anywhere between about ~2hrs 45min to ~3 hours on my folders and mountain bike... again, depending on weather and traffic conditions. So is my Miami heavy and slow? No. It may be slightly heavier than even a lot of folding bikes and slower than my road bike and fixie, But it's certainly not heavy and slow.
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The freewheel/cassette tooth count doesn't mean much alone. You should include the chainring size(s) and true wheel diameters to at least get an indication of gear inches. Add crank arm length if you want to go further and obtain gain ratios.
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BTW... Dahon indicates a 33.2 lb weight for the Dahon Speed TR. Maybe it should have been called the Dahon Heavy/Slow TR?
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That Speed TR is a beauty! You were really able to cute 12 lbs out of that thing? That's impressive, you should make a tutorial, haha - I'd like get my Speed P8 even lighter than it is someday. Thanks for the reviews; how would you say the Curve compared to the Miami?