Rando/brevet advice - Upgrade Kona Jake the Snake? Something else?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Ontario
Posts: 270
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Rando/brevet advice - Upgrade Kona Jake the Snake? Something else?
What would you change to make this 2013 Kona Jake the Snake an ideal rando/brevet bike? Likely talking about 200-600km self-supported rides, with 500-5000m climbing. Certainly not touring.
Is this even possible? Or maybe is better to go after something different than "upgrading" this particular Kona. I will consider other options if upgrading this bike is too demanding and/or expensive.
The specs and some comments are below. Advice coming from experienced rando/brevet riders will be highly appreciated. Cheers!
Frame Material - Kona Race Light 7005 Aluminum Butted
Fork - Kona Full Carbon CX
---- The steerer tube is actually steel, so I do not think this actually qualifies as full carbon
Chainset - FSA Gossamer Compact 36/46t
Bottom Bracket - FSA Press Fit BB30
Cassette - Shimano 105 12-28t 10 spd
Front Derailleur - Shimano 105
Rear Derailleur - Shimano Ultegra
Shifters - Shimano 105
Brakes - Avid Shorty 6
---- I have to admit that I am not impressed by these brakes
Headset - FSA No.57B
Handlebar - Kona Road Bar
Stem - Kona XC/Road
---- The stem is only 8cm long (49cm size bike)
Seatpost - Kona Double Clamp
Seat Clamp - Kona Clamp
---- The seat post has about 1cm setback. Together with the short stem, it makes for a rather tight cockpit when you compare this with a proper road bike
Wheels – Shimano RS10A
Tyres - Maxxis Mud Wrestler 700x33C
---- Lots of options in terms of tire widths
Also… twin bottle-cage mounts, mudguard eyes and seat stay placed rack mounts.
Edit: geometry is below.
Is this even possible? Or maybe is better to go after something different than "upgrading" this particular Kona. I will consider other options if upgrading this bike is too demanding and/or expensive.
The specs and some comments are below. Advice coming from experienced rando/brevet riders will be highly appreciated. Cheers!
Frame Material - Kona Race Light 7005 Aluminum Butted
Fork - Kona Full Carbon CX
---- The steerer tube is actually steel, so I do not think this actually qualifies as full carbon
Chainset - FSA Gossamer Compact 36/46t
Bottom Bracket - FSA Press Fit BB30
Cassette - Shimano 105 12-28t 10 spd
Front Derailleur - Shimano 105
Rear Derailleur - Shimano Ultegra
Shifters - Shimano 105
Brakes - Avid Shorty 6
---- I have to admit that I am not impressed by these brakes
Headset - FSA No.57B
Handlebar - Kona Road Bar
Stem - Kona XC/Road
---- The stem is only 8cm long (49cm size bike)
Seatpost - Kona Double Clamp
Seat Clamp - Kona Clamp
---- The seat post has about 1cm setback. Together with the short stem, it makes for a rather tight cockpit when you compare this with a proper road bike
Wheels – Shimano RS10A
Tyres - Maxxis Mud Wrestler 700x33C
---- Lots of options in terms of tire widths
Also… twin bottle-cage mounts, mudguard eyes and seat stay placed rack mounts.
Edit: geometry is below.
Last edited by starjag; 08-06-13 at 07:07 AM.
#3
Randomhead
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,398
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,698 Times
in
2,518 Posts
I don't see anything wrong with it the way it is. You could consider adding fenders. And find a large seat bag or add a rack and a trunk bag.
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Thomaston, Georgia
Posts: 217
Bikes: 2013 Raleigh Clubman, 2010 Schwinn LeTour, 2012 Raleigh Sojourn, 2011 Schwinn Voyaguer 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I agree, the Kona sounds like a pretty good bike for brevets so long as it fits you well. I have heard that Shimano's 105 brakes are a really good investment and improvement. I don't know about 105's but I rode a bike with Ultegra's Calipers and almost went over the bars due to the braking power.
You mentioned that the cockpit was tight but the reach and stack look generous when compared to the frames I've been looking at for Brevets.
You mentioned that the cockpit was tight but the reach and stack look generous when compared to the frames I've been looking at for Brevets.
#6
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Ontario
Posts: 270
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Cheers!
#7
Uber Goober
Ride it for a few Series, see what you don't like about it and go from there. Assuming it all fit okay, the first thing I would do is get a generator hub on there, though. Most of our local riders use narrower tires than 33's, but that can vary depending on what you like.
__________________
"be careful this rando stuff is addictive and dan's the 'pusher'."
"be careful this rando stuff is addictive and dan's the 'pusher'."
#8
Old. Slow. Happy.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Boulder County, CO
Posts: 1,797
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: philadelphia, pa
Posts: 242
Bikes: 650b traditional rando, 700c SS rando, 700c fast rando..... plus a mountain, folder, and retired urban track in the basement
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
sorry to dig up the old thread, and excuse the instagram picture, but here's my 2012 JTS (49cm) pretty much ready for a 200k in a few days. besides the fit and accessories, the most notable thing i did was to swap out the inner 36t for a 34t chainring. that, combined with the 28t in the back, should treat me fairly well. i rode a triple crank with a 30t granny + 28t in the back for my first brevet, but seeing if i can step up my climbing game...
ritchey 130mm stem, fizik arione saddle
34t ultegra chainring
topeak bar extender with:
-planet bike bell
-niterider lumina 650
-cateye nanoshot
planet bike cascadia fenders, front mudflap made out of tvyek + duct tape
sunlite bar bag w/ map case
carradice super c audax + bagman2 QR sport support
still on the fence whether to swap the heavy wheelset + 32c conti touring plus tires (HEAVY) with a much lighter wheelset + 23c tires from my road bike. i wish i had tire options inbetween but i do not.
ritchey 130mm stem, fizik arione saddle
34t ultegra chainring
topeak bar extender with:
-planet bike bell
-niterider lumina 650
-cateye nanoshot
planet bike cascadia fenders, front mudflap made out of tvyek + duct tape
sunlite bar bag w/ map case
carradice super c audax + bagman2 QR sport support
still on the fence whether to swap the heavy wheelset + 32c conti touring plus tires (HEAVY) with a much lighter wheelset + 23c tires from my road bike. i wish i had tire options inbetween but i do not.
#10
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 548
Bikes: Too many
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
sorry to dig up the old thread, and excuse the instagram picture, but here's my 2012 JTS (49cm) pretty much ready for a 200k in a few days. besides the fit and accessories, the most notable thing i did was to swap out the inner 36t for a 34t chainring. that, combined with the 28t in the back, should treat me fairly well. i rode a triple crank with a 30t granny + 28t in the back for my first brevet, but seeing if i can step up my climbing game...
ritchey 130mm stem, fizik arione saddle
34t ultegra chainring
topeak bar extender with:
-planet bike bell
-niterider lumina 650
-cateye nanoshot
planet bike cascadia fenders, front mudflap made out of tvyek + duct tape
sunlite bar bag w/ map case
carradice super c audax + bagman2 QR sport support
still on the fence whether to swap the heavy wheelset + 32c conti touring plus tires (HEAVY) with a much lighter wheelset + 23c tires from my road bike. i wish i had tire options inbetween but i do not.
ritchey 130mm stem, fizik arione saddle
34t ultegra chainring
topeak bar extender with:
-planet bike bell
-niterider lumina 650
-cateye nanoshot
planet bike cascadia fenders, front mudflap made out of tvyek + duct tape
sunlite bar bag w/ map case
carradice super c audax + bagman2 QR sport support
still on the fence whether to swap the heavy wheelset + 32c conti touring plus tires (HEAVY) with a much lighter wheelset + 23c tires from my road bike. i wish i had tire options inbetween but i do not.
If the roads are good and you are light, why not 700x23?
Is there much climbing in the upcoming event? If so, go with the lighter wheels especiclly if it is a 200K.
#11
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: philadelphia, pa
Posts: 242
Bikes: 650b traditional rando, 700c SS rando, 700c fast rando..... plus a mountain, folder, and retired urban track in the basement
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
i am fairly light so usually 23's are fine for 95% of the riding i do. there's close to 10,000ft in this 200k, and i just swapped out wheelsets today and will be taking the updated rig out for a test ride tomorrow. i'm ballparking that i just took off 1.5 - 2lbs or so, should be a pretty big difference overall. the only worry is it might be on-off rain, so i'll really have to watch it on descents.
#12
Zircon Encrusted Tweezers
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: high ground
Posts: 1,348
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 261 Post(s)
Liked 132 Times
in
84 Posts
thanks! concentrating efforts on this bike for now because it's in the best shape.
i am fairly light so usually 23's are fine for 95% of the riding i do. there's close to 10,000ft in this 200k, and i just swapped out wheelsets today and will be taking the updated rig out for a test ride tomorrow. i'm ballparking that i just took off 1.5 - 2lbs or so, should be a pretty big difference overall. the only worry is it might be on-off rain, so i'll really have to watch it on descents.
i am fairly light so usually 23's are fine for 95% of the riding i do. there's close to 10,000ft in this 200k, and i just swapped out wheelsets today and will be taking the updated rig out for a test ride tomorrow. i'm ballparking that i just took off 1.5 - 2lbs or so, should be a pretty big difference overall. the only worry is it might be on-off rain, so i'll really have to watch it on descents.
Anyways, do you need the seat bag? And the handlebar bag? Seems like overkill for a 200K. You can lose a little more weight, and more importantly, (probably) gain some aero benefits by losing a bag.
Also, i don't see lights. If its the BM200K, then darkness falls at hour 12:15. What if you need 12:30 to finish? you will be disqualified without front and rear lights and reflective sash, etc.
#13
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 548
Bikes: Too many
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
thanks! concentrating efforts on this bike for now because it's in the best shape.
i am fairly light so usually 23's are fine for 95% of the riding i do. there's close to 10,000ft in this 200k, and i just swapped out wheelsets today and will be taking the updated rig out for a test ride tomorrow. i'm ballparking that i just took off 1.5 - 2lbs or so, should be a pretty big difference overall. the only worry is it might be on-off rain, so i'll really have to watch it on descents.
i am fairly light so usually 23's are fine for 95% of the riding i do. there's close to 10,000ft in this 200k, and i just swapped out wheelsets today and will be taking the updated rig out for a test ride tomorrow. i'm ballparking that i just took off 1.5 - 2lbs or so, should be a pretty big difference overall. the only worry is it might be on-off rain, so i'll really have to watch it on descents.
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: philadelphia, pa
Posts: 242
Bikes: 650b traditional rando, 700c SS rando, 700c fast rando..... plus a mountain, folder, and retired urban track in the basement
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 37 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Blue Mountain 200K?
Anyways, do you need the seat bag? And the handlebar bag? Seems like overkill for a 200K. You can lose a little more weight, and more importantly, (probably) gain some aero benefits by losing a bag.
Also, i don't see lights. If its the BM200K, then darkness falls at hour 12:15. What if you need 12:30 to finish? you will be disqualified without front and rear lights and reflective sash, etc.
Anyways, do you need the seat bag? And the handlebar bag? Seems like overkill for a 200K. You can lose a little more weight, and more importantly, (probably) gain some aero benefits by losing a bag.
Also, i don't see lights. If its the BM200K, then darkness falls at hour 12:15. What if you need 12:30 to finish? you will be disqualified without front and rear lights and reflective sash, etc.
as for visbility, i've got two front lights on the bar extender that shine underneath the handlebar bag. they're both USB rechargeable so i'll try to minimize their use (by hopefully not using either of them at all). they're mounted upside down, which i know is not ideal, but really can't kludge a better solution at this point. will be bringing spare batteries for the superflash in the back on the carradice lid. and the reflective vest is tied to the bagman support via ankle bands
When you stare at the cyclecomputer going up a really big hill at mile 117, just think of what those heavy wheels would feel like.....on the other hand, wet and broken pavement might make the heavier wheels a better choice. GL and have a great ride. Be careful coming down Blue Mountain, the skiiers turning left into the parking lot won't expect a cyclist at 35mph.
#15
Randomhead
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,398
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,698 Times
in
2,518 Posts
the section from Bloomsbury back to Milford is not my favorite. I am still riding my backup bike which has a pannier, so I'll be more bag-impaired than you. I think this time of year it's nice to have extra stuff along and a place to stow it. I'm not intending to set any speed records, I have finished this 200k in 13:30 when it finished at the Hostel.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Magnolia, Texas
Posts: 300
Bikes: Colnago C50, Specialized TriCross Carbon
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
the section from Bloomsbury back to Milford is not my favorite. I am still riding my backup bike which has a pannier, so I'll be more bag-impaired than you. I think this time of year it's nice to have extra stuff along and a place to stow it. I'm not intending to set any speed records, I have finished this 200k in 13:30 when it finished at the Hostel.
#17
Randomhead
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,398
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,698 Times
in
2,518 Posts
I'm bringing electrolytes tomorrow, and I'll probably need them after Mud Run. The time I finished int 13:30, I started cramping at mile 40.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jsigone
Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg)
15
12-11-12 04:21 PM