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Old 03-05-05, 04:36 PM
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Much advacement in brake pads since early 90s?

I have 2 Gary Fisher Tassajaras from 1993 or so. The braking isn't as good as it used to be. Today I cleaned the rims thoroughly and sanded down the pads (Shimano M55/T) to remove the glaze. That improved things a lot but I'm wondering if I should replace the pads altogether.

Do you think new, more modern pads would provide better performance? Which pads do you recommend?

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kool pads.
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kool stop, is what they are called.
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Everyone raves... kool stop
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Kool Stops, then.

Now, red or black?
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I use the black Kools myself with good results. The reds if I recall are for wet conditions, and a softer compound.
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These Kool Stop pads, how much are they roughly? Can't seem to find them...
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Swifferman, Nashbar, among other places, has them.

For anyone else watching, what's the opinion of the Aztec2 pads vs. Kool-Stops? According to Deltacycle, who makes the Aztec2 pads, their pads are much better than Kool-Stops, if this page is to be believed.

https://www.deltacycle.com/brakes/aztec2.php.
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Tried em, hate em. Kool stop or nothing for me from now on.
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I 'm a big fan of Jagwire Switchback Tri-zones. I've been running them on my commuter for a while now and they really work very well for me. They're availiable HERE.
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Will all of these pads work with my cantilever brakes, or do I need cantilever-specific pads? Seems like if I remove the nuts and washers, they'd work fine, or not?
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Will all of these pads work with my cantilever brakes, or do I need cantilever-specific pads? Seems like if I remove the nuts and washers, they'd work fine, or not?
With Canti's? I'm afraid not. Unless of course your original pad posts are threaded as well. The good news is you can switch over to V's they'll fit on your frame, you'll just need to get the calipers and levers
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Bought 2 pairs of red/salmon Kool-Stops today at a LBS and, sure enough, they are MUCH better than the stock brakes. In fact, I had the LBS order more (I cleaned out their stock) for my other mtn bike. Thanks for tip!
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Originally Posted by AusTai
Bought 2 pairs of red/salmon Kool-Stops today at a LBS and, sure enough, they are MUCH better than the stock brakes. In fact, I had the LBS order more (I cleaned out their stock) for my other mtn bike. Thanks for tip!
you beat me to it. I was going to say Kool stop Salmon/black are an excellent all around pad.they work well in all conditions and will work on cantis. as Raiyn said go Vbrake if you can afford it. they are not that expensive and you will have much better control . the next step is disc but that is another topic
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Sounds like you got into the sport about the same time I did. (Actually I rode my old '72 10-speed in the woods until I warped the wheels) Maybe I should really be where Ned Overend is, huh?

Anyway, I have to say to you that the disc brake system's are the ONLY way to go. Either the mechanical (Avid or Hayes 1's) or the hydraulic's.... Once you or anyone else reading this try the disc's, you will NEVER go back, trust me....

Bottom line= YES, technology has definitely improved at least this segment of Mtn.Biking. Take advantage of it.....
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Originally Posted by iamthetas
the next step is disc but that is another topic
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Anyway, I have to say to you that the disc brake system's are the ONLY way to go. Either the mechanical (Avid or Hayes 1's) or the hydraulic's.... Once you or anyone else reading this try the disc's, you will NEVER go back, trust me....
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If he's running Cantilevers, he ain't going to be able to convert to disc in a sensible manner. His bike simply isn't designed for it.
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Originally Posted by iamthetas
you beat me to it. I was going to say Kool stop Salmon/black are an excellent all around pad.they work well in all conditions and will work on cantis. as Raiyn said go Vbrake if you can afford it. they are not that expensive and you will have much better control . the next step is disc but that is another topic
I can't go to discs, as someone just pointed out.

To be honest, I haven't ridden a v-brake equipped bike much beyond the parking lot of a LBS. While it felt and worked much better than my current brakes BEFORE the Kool-stops, I'm not totally sure v-brakes are that much better AFTER the Kool-stops. Sure, v-brakes provide more modulation than the cantilevers and more force on the pads, but remember that I'm someone who's used cantis for years and is plenty used to the force needed to operate them.

Upgrading the pads is, IMO, a more cost-effective and noticeable upgrade than going to v-brakes would be.
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How difficult is it to go to discs from v-brakes? I'm riding a fairly new Giant Rincon and the next higher model had discs but not much else to offer and was way more expensive. It's pretty wet where I live (Newfoundland) and I'd love to have a more reliable brake.
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If your bike has disc tabs all you need is a new set of disc hubs. You can use your standard v-brake levers with mechanical discs.
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Any pre-2000 bike will either "not" have disc mount holes in the frame, or the holes it has could be non-ISO Standard. That means that the hole positions are too close together and won't fit modern day brake mounts unless an adaptor is used. My '99 K2 Flyin' Monkey is that way, as is my '97 Beast. The disc mounting holes are there, but the spacing is wrong for the ISO Standard configuration. (51mm)

Listen Folk's, if you're still riding a bike you got 12-20 yrs. ago, don't you think it's about time for a new one?
I can't imagine still having to ride my '93 DB Ascent EX everytime I went out.... The brakes on that thing would sometimes go out in a heavy fog.
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