The Fed's and the End of Lance Armstrong
05-23-11, 01:04 PM
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Some of you nought noughts need to reset the secret code, please.
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05-23-11, 01:46 PM
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I think this forum owes me an apology. I told y'all years ago that this guy is a weasel, scoundrel, a cheat, a liar and a squallywoak.
I said it from day ONE, with much peasant commentary of denial.
Now you see what I was talking about, I guess it took the feds for you to believe it. tut... tut
I said it from day ONE, with much peasant commentary of denial.
Now you see what I was talking about, I guess it took the feds for you to believe it. tut... tut
05-24-11, 02:00 AM
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I think this forum owes me an apology. I told y'all years ago that this guy is a weasel, scoundrel, a cheat, a liar and a squallywoak.
I said it from day ONE, with much peasant commentary of denial.
Now you see what I was talking about, I guess it took the feds for you to believe it. tut... tut
I said it from day ONE, with much peasant commentary of denial.
Now you see what I was talking about, I guess it took the feds for you to believe it. tut... tut
I don't think that you will get an apology, but take solace in the fact that there are people who have changed their tune and see that you were, in fact, right all along. IMO, it is the mods who owe you some sort of apology. It wasn't totally all their fault though. They get tons of messages from people about keeping law and order, and it seems that other people, or groups, may have tried to influence them. Looking back though, your message was right and it was wrong of the two posters to attack your character.
05-25-11, 08:50 PM
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I know it's hard for some of you, but try not to be a complete imbecile.
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05-25-11, 08:52 PM
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Barry Bonds, a generally unlikeable athlete, was only convicted of the most minor charge against him. I think this is good news for Lance Armstrong. I don't really see a Federal prosecutor moving forward against a celebrity that is held in such high regard with much of the general population if they can only convict Barry Bonds of obstruction of justice.
They will go after Lance. Can they get the heavier charges to stick? Harder to prove. The world will wind up being convinced he doped, but proving the rest of that stuff is a far stickier wicket for the Feds. But they will try.
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05-25-11, 08:56 PM
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Anybody who thinks this doping crap will sink pro cycling isn't paying attention. The sport has survived 60+ years of persistent doping scandals and it's not going anywhere now or ever. Sure the sponsorship dollar pool gets shallower as corporates sponsors get scared away, the top riders make $1-$3 million instead of $3-$5 million, yada yada. But pro cycling is the #3 most popular sport in Europe, a HUGE market (soccer is #1, F1 auto racing #2), so you can stop wringing your hands about the future of the Tour de France or the Giro. Don't worry.
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05-25-11, 09:15 PM
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After reading the following article, I now believe that Lance Armstrong used EPO throughout his post-cancer career.
https://velocitynation.com/content/in...chael-ashenden
https://velocitynation.com/content/in...chael-ashenden
05-26-11, 06:20 AM
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Anybody who thinks this doping crap will sink pro cycling isn't paying attention. The sport has survived 60+ years of persistent doping scandals and it's not going anywhere now or ever. Sure the sponsorship dollar pool gets shallower as corporates sponsors get scared away, the top riders make $1-$3 million instead of $3-$5 million, yada yada. But pro cycling is the #3 most popular sport in Europe, a HUGE market (soccer is #1, F1 auto racing #2), so you can stop wringing your hands about the future of the Tour de France or the Giro. Don't worry.
05-26-11, 07:31 PM
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I always thought Lance was more of a Republican than Dem. The only political person you ever saw him ride with was George W. Bush. And, his party is out of power in DC right now.
(On a nitpicky note) this thread is littered with mispelled words and wrong usage of words. effect for affect. subject verb agreeement. Come on!
(On a nitpicky note) this thread is littered with mispelled words and wrong usage of words. effect for affect. subject verb agreeement. Come on!
05-26-11, 07:49 PM
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I think this forum owes me an apology. I told y'all years ago that this guy is a weasel, scoundrel, a cheat, a liar and a squallywoak.
I said it from day ONE, with much peasant commentary of denial.
Now you see what I was talking about, I guess it took the feds for you to believe it. tut... tut
I said it from day ONE, with much peasant commentary of denial.
Now you see what I was talking about, I guess it took the feds for you to believe it. tut... tut
05-26-11, 10:11 PM
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After reading the following article, I now believe that Lance Armstrong used EPO throughout his post-cancer career.
https://velocitynation.com/content/in...chael-ashenden
https://velocitynation.com/content/in...chael-ashenden
A lot of the commenters argue against the reporter, saying they have seen him and he is taller that 5'5" - 5'6".
I note that many websites give Sheryl Crow's height at 5'3 1/2", and there are many pictures of the two together where he looks to be 3-4" taller than her, which would put him at about 5'7". She doesn't seem to be wearing high heels in pictures where you can see her feet.
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05-27-11, 02:17 PM
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Armstrong repeats his argument: https://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/
05-27-11, 02:32 PM
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I read "The FREDS and the End Of Lance Armstrong".
Reading fail...nevermind.
Reading fail...nevermind.
05-27-11, 02:52 PM
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One of the points in the article is that he may be deceptive about how tall he is, reporting his height at 5'9" or 5'10" when he is really (according to the interviewer) more like 5'5"" or 5'6". Lying about his height would help disguise his weight and help stymie observers who are trying to guess at his power output and VO2 stats.
A lot of the commenters argue against the reporter, saying they have seen him and he is taller that 5'5" - 5'6".
I note that many websites give Sheryl Crow's height at 5'3 1/2", and there are many pictures of the two together where he looks to be 3-4" taller than her, which would put him at about 5'7". She doesn't seem to be wearing high heels in pictures where you can see her feet.
A lot of the commenters argue against the reporter, saying they have seen him and he is taller that 5'5" - 5'6".
I note that many websites give Sheryl Crow's height at 5'3 1/2", and there are many pictures of the two together where he looks to be 3-4" taller than her, which would put him at about 5'7". She doesn't seem to be wearing high heels in pictures where you can see her feet.
05-27-11, 09:35 PM
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One of the points in the article is that he may be deceptive about how tall he is, reporting his height at 5'9" or 5'10" when he is really (according to the interviewer) more like 5'5"" or 5'6". Lying about his height would help disguise his weight and help stymie observers who are trying to guess at his power output and VO2 stats.
A lot of the commenters argue against the reporter, saying they have seen him and he is taller that 5'5" - 5'6".
I note that many websites give Sheryl Crow's height at 5'3 1/2", and there are many pictures of the two together where he looks to be 3-4" taller than her, which would put him at about 5'7". She doesn't seem to be wearing high heels in pictures where you can see her feet.
A lot of the commenters argue against the reporter, saying they have seen him and he is taller that 5'5" - 5'6".
I note that many websites give Sheryl Crow's height at 5'3 1/2", and there are many pictures of the two together where he looks to be 3-4" taller than her, which would put him at about 5'7". She doesn't seem to be wearing high heels in pictures where you can see her feet.
05-28-11, 02:53 PM
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I'm sorry, but Lance has 500 + drug tests that show he never doped. Does that mean he absolutely never doped? I don't think that never failing a drug test necessarily means that you never doped (Marian Jones proved this). That being said, Lance is probably the most tested athlete on the planet. His accusers where caught cheating, and now all of a sudden - Lance is a doper?
The basic facts as I see them are the following:
1.) Lance has never failed an official doping test. Period.
2.) His accusers are admitted liars, since they denied doping, and then were stupid enough to get caught. Why should I believe an admitted liar, in the absence of any hard, non-circumstantial evidence?
3.) Why did they get caught, when Armstrong didn't? If everyone was getting a white lunch bag filled with EPO, like Tyler Hamilton says, how did Armstrong evade hundreds of "random" tests when he was the only one being "randomly" tested on his team on some days since he was always under suspicion?
I don't buy it for a second. No one can definitively say that Armstrong has never doped. But then again, I believe the majority of cyclists have doped in the past (if not presently) because of the pervasiveness of the sport. So if Armstrong crushed other cyclists for so long while everyone else was doping anyway - the doping becomes the baseline.
My two cents.
The basic facts as I see them are the following:
1.) Lance has never failed an official doping test. Period.
2.) His accusers are admitted liars, since they denied doping, and then were stupid enough to get caught. Why should I believe an admitted liar, in the absence of any hard, non-circumstantial evidence?
3.) Why did they get caught, when Armstrong didn't? If everyone was getting a white lunch bag filled with EPO, like Tyler Hamilton says, how did Armstrong evade hundreds of "random" tests when he was the only one being "randomly" tested on his team on some days since he was always under suspicion?
I don't buy it for a second. No one can definitively say that Armstrong has never doped. But then again, I believe the majority of cyclists have doped in the past (if not presently) because of the pervasiveness of the sport. So if Armstrong crushed other cyclists for so long while everyone else was doping anyway - the doping becomes the baseline.
My two cents.
05-28-11, 04:04 PM
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Because LA was Pro cycling's cash cow. At least in the market they were trying to break into.(USA)
One thing you never do is kill the cash cow!
One thing you never do is kill the cash cow!
05-28-11, 06:26 PM
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No one can say with absolute certainty at this point but one thing is for certain. If you can put aside hero and idol worship and study all of the sources related to the topic with an open and neutral mind one thing becomes very clear. The weight of the evidence is in favor of the concept that Lance doped. You pretty much have to lie to yourself and think in a very unrealistic black and white mentality to accept many of the arguments that Lance is clean.
05-28-11, 07:02 PM
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No one can say with absolute certainty at this point but one thing is for certain. If you can put aside hero and idol worship and study all of the sources related to the topic with an open and neutral mind one thing becomes very clear. The weight of the evidence is in favor of the concept that Lance doped. You pretty much have to lie to yourself and think in a very unrealistic black and white mentality to accept many of the arguments that Lance is clean.
05-28-11, 09:14 PM
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I agree with you completely. I think he should come out and address the allegations head on. I think initially, he didn't want to give them any more credibility by feeling the need to address them in person, but the damage has been done at this point and he needs to start defending himself. I think he needs to do a rebuttal interview with another news organization.