uci suspends disc brakes for road racing
04-13-16, 04:25 PM
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04-13-16, 04:59 PM
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Sounds to me kinda like an in reverse safety requirement that brought side bars to open wheel modified racing. Did not agree with that at all, either.
04-13-16, 05:32 PM
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How about descending at 40+ mph on carbon wheels? Discs brakes are easy to modulate and control speed and easy to stop fast. Carbon wheels with calipers are nearly impossible to stop immediately and if you try to ride the brakes at all to control your speed you are in danger of heating rim and causing failure or tube blow out (if you have tubes)
This is a discussion of UCI racing where pro riders and amateurs have descended, modulated and rarely stopped on rim brakes in all conditions for decades, even on carbon rims. It's sanctioned road racing not some other activity where a bicycle is used. See the UCI rule book and today's revision.
if you try to ride the brakes at all
Test Suspended, Period End.
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04-13-16, 05:34 PM
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Not to mention that discs are far less aerodynamic and much, much heavier. This is aside from cumbersome, slow wheel changes and the slice and dice approach to rider safety.
Surely a revolutionary leap forward, are disc brakes.
The pros sure were clamoring for 'em!
Surely a revolutionary leap forward, are disc brakes.
The pros sure were clamoring for 'em!
04-13-16, 05:40 PM
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This is one I don't think the UCI will be able to stop from eventually happening all in. The industry has gone too far this direction. It will be up to everyone to find a solution that works. Disc brakes aren't going to go away on road bikes. That ship has already sailed.
Personally....after riding disc for the last few years I have actually changed my mind back to wanting rim caliper brakes for road for myself for the foreseeable future.
Personally....after riding disc for the last few years I have actually changed my mind back to wanting rim caliper brakes for road for myself for the foreseeable future.
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This is one I don't think the UCI will be able to stop from eventually happening all in. The industry has gone too far this direction. It will be up to everyone to find a solution that works. Disc brakes aren't going to go away on road bikes. That ship has already sailed.
Personally....after riding disc for the last few years I have actually changed my mind back to wanting rim caliper brakes for road for myself for the foreseeable future.
Personally....after riding disc for the last few years I have actually changed my mind back to wanting rim caliper brakes for road for myself for the foreseeable future.
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A lot of factors. In the end rim brakes work really, really well and the systems are proven and light, etc. There just isn't a need for disc on the road around here at all. Even in the steep climbs up North. Just a way un-needed thing here.
This is a decision for myself. Not my recommendation for the future of the equipment, etc.
This is a decision for myself. Not my recommendation for the future of the equipment, etc.
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04-13-16, 06:09 PM
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Nothing against them but I just haven't seen the benefit except on our tandems.
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I'm usually not a fan of "knee jerk" reactions, but I like this move by the uci . it seems like common sense to me that disc brakes have no place in road racing unless they can find a way to remove the sharp exposed disc edge.
Bike racing is dangerous enough and I don't buy into the logic that disc brakes will prevent more injuries than they cause. At least not in mass start events where high speed wrecks in tight traffic are common place.
By the way, I like disc brakes and I appreciate that they work better in some conditions, but they should not be allowed in mass start road races.
Bike racing is dangerous enough and I don't buy into the logic that disc brakes will prevent more injuries than they cause. At least not in mass start events where high speed wrecks in tight traffic are common place.
By the way, I like disc brakes and I appreciate that they work better in some conditions, but they should not be allowed in mass start road races.
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You were responding to my opinion of them, and I make no claims of speaking for others. I know where I live, and the type of riding I do. I respect your and rms13's opinion - it's how we have a healthy discussion.
04-13-16, 06:43 PM
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Well, they're not 'suspending' disc brakes for all road bike riders, but they are now saying that they are, perhaps, not safe enough for use in sanctioned road racing. I get that, as when there is a crash - particularly in road races, plenty of riders usually go down and at speed, so they present an additional risk of injury - as has been documented in this case.
Hopefully a solution can be found - for racing applications, however, if not, then rim-brakes have been perfectly functional for a long, long time....
Hopefully a solution can be found - for racing applications, however, if not, then rim-brakes have been perfectly functional for a long, long time....
04-13-16, 06:51 PM
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"You"? Not me or anyone that I have raced with "ride" their brakes, that isn't how experienced riders operate their brakes even on training rides regardless of terrain. For us disc brakes are an answer to a question that we didn't ask and a serious safety hazard as well as posing a problem for a quick efficient wheel change in a race. No thanks to any of that.
Test Suspended, Period End.
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I use exactly enough brakes in the downhill turns to not scare the crap outta myself, and not a smidge more.
The ONLY purpose for disc brakes on road bikes is so Trek and all the rest can sell you a new bike. If you already have a nice bike and Shimano 12 speed comes out, you can just buy a new group and Trek goes hungry. But if you NEED a new frame for a new type of brake, you're much more likely to buy that new bike you don't really need so you can be like the cool kids. Only the cool kids aren't going to be using them.
04-13-16, 09:17 PM
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The disc brakes already impose weight penalty over rim brakes, by adding more material to it doesn't seem too enticing. And if the shrink the size of the rotor, then its braking power will be less and may not be much of an advantage over rim brakes. The disc brake technology on road bikes is inherited from MTB; perhaps a different technology developed from ground up for road bike would be a better starting point.
04-13-16, 09:19 PM
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Perhaps a compromise - that riders with discs be allowed to compete in UCI events, but are allowed to ride in a special class at the back of the peloton. Not allowed to participate in breakaways or sprints.
This way the manufacturers can get marketing/exposure at pro-level events without the risk of serious injuries. And since the riders in this special group will be competing against similarly handicapped colleagues, the liabilities of disks in the climbing and flat stages will not be made obvious to the bike-buying public.
This way the manufacturers can get marketing/exposure at pro-level events without the risk of serious injuries. And since the riders in this special group will be competing against similarly handicapped colleagues, the liabilities of disks in the climbing and flat stages will not be made obvious to the bike-buying public.
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The rotors on my motorbike are 5mm thick with rounded edges, so you would have a hard time cutting yourself on them.
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+1, except that there was a problem. Namely the need to stimulate sales with another must have product.
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Perhaps a compromise - that riders with discs be allowed to compete in UCI events, but are allowed to ride in a special class at the back of the peloton. Not allowed to participate in breakaways or sprints.
This way the manufacturers can get marketing/exposure at pro-level events without the risk of serious injuries. And since the riders in this special group will be competing against similarly handicapped colleagues, the liabilities of disks in the climbing and flat stages will not be made obvious to the bike-buying public.
This way the manufacturers can get marketing/exposure at pro-level events without the risk of serious injuries. And since the riders in this special group will be competing against similarly handicapped colleagues, the liabilities of disks in the climbing and flat stages will not be made obvious to the bike-buying public.
The majority of bicycles are sold to people who do not race, indeed, plenty of disc-equipped road bikes are sold (and doing the rounds of my local roads) at present - yet they are still not sanctioned for racing. That, to me, would indicate that the manufacturers will be more than able to sell - in great number - these disc-equipped road bikes, whether they are ultimately sanctioned for racing, or not...
I think the UCI should err on the side of caution in relation to road-disc for road-racing, until / unless more appropriate safety designs are proffered.
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