Do road cyclists make better motorcyclists?
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In NYC, on the West Side Highway NB, there are long segments where the lane separation markers are scored to make it difficult to lane split. (Intentional ?)
It's like riding a single track with a shifting line and moving obstacles. Still doesn't deter most bikers. The only real danger are the T&LC drivers who try to kill you.
It's like riding a single track with a shifting line and moving obstacles. Still doesn't deter most bikers. The only real danger are the T&LC drivers who try to kill you.
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P.S> I commuted on a motorcycle from NJ to NYC for several years but prefer to ride my road bike now instead as it takes less time to cover the 25 miles.
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I used to ride motorbikes for many years when I was younger. This made me a better car driver as I am aware of perils and dangers which many car drivers don't bother about. This has also made me a better cyclist, as I'm not afraid to be a bit bolder sometimes and take the centre of the lane if I need to turn.
Same goes for cycling .... you become a better car driver as you are more alert of your surroundings especially in heavier traffic
Same goes for cycling .... you become a better car driver as you are more alert of your surroundings especially in heavier traffic
I started driving. Then riding motorcycles a few years later and then onto cycling.
Motorcycles without a doubt in my mind made me a better driver.
Then transitioning to cycling and commuting made me a better cyclist. Like has been said you were better able to judge situations, speeds, placement, and overall my situational awareness was keen.
This is aspect is not something I have considered when the ugly head of the take the lane dispute with my wife rears its head. But I felt more comfortable in traffic, not some obstacle on the side which needs (or needs not) to be given ample room.
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I really don't like motor bikes with cyclist. While I think those that drive cars know there are weaker ones out there, from motor bikes, to bicyclists, to pedestrians, it seems the motor riders are often too busy watching out for themselves. I hear more about motor driving defensively than I hear about watching out for others. The rate a motor bike -> cyclist dangerous encounter seems higher to me than car -> cyclist (being there are so many more cars). I have no stats, but seems the cars give more berth to a cyclist than the motor bikes.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
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I really don't like motor bikes with cyclist. While I think those that drive cars know there are weaker ones out there, from motor bikes, to bicyclists, to pedestrians, it seems the motor riders are often too busy watching out for themselves. I hear more about motor driving defensively than I hear about watching out for others. The rate a motor bike -> cyclist dangerous encounter seems higher to me than car -> cyclist (being there are so many more cars). I have no stats, but seems the cars give more berth to a cyclist than the motor bikes.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
Never got hit, or got in a "didn't see you" situation with a motorcycle. Only with cars. Every day I ride a bicycle, at least one car driver fails to give right of way (not noticing, or not caring).
I ride both bicycle and motorcycle defensively. Doesn't mean I put others at risk, quite the contrary.
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I've been riding bicycles since I was 7 (learnt on the streets of Bombay), motorcycles since I was 14, and only driving cars since I was 25.
Motorcycles taught me how to be careful for my safety and mindful of others' safety.
As a cyclist who commutes into NYC, I find my biggest hazards are: 1) Pedestrians with smart phones 2) Citibike riders with smart phones 3) Cars and SUVs. In that order.
Never once in 15000 miles of bicycle commuting in the past 3 years into some of the worst traffic (NYC / NJ) have I had any issues with someone on a motorcycle.
Your experience may differ.
Motorcycles taught me how to be careful for my safety and mindful of others' safety.
As a cyclist who commutes into NYC, I find my biggest hazards are: 1) Pedestrians with smart phones 2) Citibike riders with smart phones 3) Cars and SUVs. In that order.
Never once in 15000 miles of bicycle commuting in the past 3 years into some of the worst traffic (NYC / NJ) have I had any issues with someone on a motorcycle.
Your experience may differ.
I really don't like motor bikes with cyclist. While I think those that drive cars know there are weaker ones out there, from motor bikes, to bicyclists, to pedestrians, it seems the motor riders are often too busy watching out for themselves. I hear more about motor driving defensively than I hear about watching out for others. The rate a motor bike -> cyclist dangerous encounter seems higher to me than car -> cyclist (being there are so many more cars). I have no stats, but seems the cars give more berth to a cyclist than the motor bikes.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
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This was the end of a decent and a big wind from the right. The motor bike "blew" into the line of riders on the left, knocking one off, falling and the others hit the motor and fell/flipped. It was at speed. Mind you the entire road was open. Why it happened I alluded to above, although folks don't share my experiences. No, he was not hurt badly, but it cost him 40 places, but we won GC - so all is good. There are many more race motor issues than car ones. It is a problem.
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This was the end of a decent and a big wind from the right. The motor bike "blew" into the line of riders on the left, knocking one off, falling and the others hit the motor and fell/flipped. It was at speed. Mind you the entire road was open. Why it happened I alluded to above, although folks don't share my experiences. No, he was not hurt badly, but it cost him 40 places, but we won GC - so all is good. There are many more race motor issues than car ones. It is a problem.
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I really don't like motor bikes with cyclist. While I think those that drive cars know there are weaker ones out there, from motor bikes, to bicyclists, to pedestrians, it seems the motor riders are often too busy watching out for themselves. I hear more about motor driving defensively than I hear about watching out for others. The rate a motor bike -> cyclist dangerous encounter seems higher to me than car -> cyclist (being there are so many more cars). I have no stats, but seems the cars give more berth to a cyclist than the motor bikes.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
Last month a cyclist was killed being run over by a motor cycle in a race, last week my son hit this one, after it hit another hard enough to dislodge a rear wheel.
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I've been riding bicycles since I was 7 (learnt on the streets of Bombay), motorcycles since I was 14, and only driving cars since I was 25.
Motorcycles taught me how to be careful for my safety and mindful of others' safety.
As a cyclist who commutes into NYC, I find my biggest hazards are: 1) Pedestrians with smart phones 2) Citibike riders with smart phones 3) Cars and SUVs. In that order.
Never once in 15000 miles of bicycle commuting in the past 3 years into some of the worst traffic (NYC / NJ) have I had any issues with someone on a motorcycle.
Your experience may differ.
Motorcycles taught me how to be careful for my safety and mindful of others' safety.
As a cyclist who commutes into NYC, I find my biggest hazards are: 1) Pedestrians with smart phones 2) Citibike riders with smart phones 3) Cars and SUVs. In that order.
Never once in 15000 miles of bicycle commuting in the past 3 years into some of the worst traffic (NYC / NJ) have I had any issues with someone on a motorcycle.
Your experience may differ.
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I think they influence each other in a positive way. I've owned a long list of sport bikes going back to a modified Honda 400 4cyl (70's man). One thing riding a motorcycle fast reinforces is counter steering. But I think the biggest positive between both is developing eye discipline. Where you look and what you look at (focus on) profoundly impacts how you ride.
Great reading material (for either) is "Twist of the Wrist" by Keith Code.
Great reading material (for either) is "Twist of the Wrist" by Keith Code.
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Never rode a bicycle until I was finished with my motorcycle racing days with WERA. I was shepherded into cycling by neighbor who, on our first few rides, could not believe my descending skills. I had no bike handling skills but I could bomb down hills and perfectly set my corner entry speeds and choose my lines and hit my marks. Motorcycling also helped me to always look ahead and through the corners, not just in front of my wheel. I would say the skills do translate especially for exploring the limits of traction and being aware that nobody is looking out for you.
Oddly enough while on my bicycle, I was also hit head on by a motorcyclist who missed his apex and target fixated on me while I was sitting at a stop sign.
Oddly enough while on my bicycle, I was also hit head on by a motorcyclist who missed his apex and target fixated on me while I was sitting at a stop sign.
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I think what a rider of either bike trains their brain to notice depends a bit on the context they are in. Meaning if riding through and intersection with a green light near traffic, both the pedal powered and the motor I think are looking for the same thing. But in a motor racing context (which I know nothing about) or a bike race context, the focus is on different things like who is attacking, avoid that glass, am I about to touch wheels, or are my bars too close. Humans are amazingly adaptable, but the brain learns to look for things that are import to the activity... The riding on the busy road I see huge overlap between the motorcyclist and cyclist. The racing, not as much.
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Yes! motorcycling racing made it hard for me to learn bike racing. That being said, I was in a bike race before I ever even saw a bike race. Was not funny that in a crit, I went off the front at the whistle, got destroyed coming out of the last corner by the group, caught them all in the corners and got housed again down the straight then was gassed and finished behind a 74 year old.
I think what a rider of either bike trains their brain to notice depends a bit on the context they are in. Meaning if riding through and intersection with a green light near traffic, both the pedal powered and the motor I think are looking for the same thing. But in a motor racing context (which I know nothing about) or a bike race context, the focus is on different things like who is attacking, avoid that glass, am I about to touch wheels, or are my bars too close. Humans are amazingly adaptable, but the brain learns to look for things that are import to the activity... The riding on the busy road I see huge overlap between the motorcyclist and cyclist. The racing, not as much.
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Never rode a bicycle until I was finished with my motorcycle racing days with WERA. I was shepherded into cycling by neighbor who, on our first few rides, could not believe my descending skills. I had no bike handling skills but I could bomb down hills and perfectly set my corner entry speeds and choose my lines and hit my marks. Motorcycling also helped me to always look ahead and through the corners, not just in front of my wheel. I would say the skills do translate especially for exploring the limits of traction and being aware that nobody is looking out for you.
Oddly enough while on my bicycle, I was also hit head on by a motorcyclist who missed his apex and target fixated on me while I was sitting at a stop sign.
Oddly enough while on my bicycle, I was also hit head on by a motorcyclist who missed his apex and target fixated on me while I was sitting at a stop sign.
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Nope. Quit riding motorcycles in 2008 or so. Was riding my bicycle more miles than I was putting on my motorcycle so I sold it. Had lot's of years of fun on motorcycles and thankful to walk away somewhat intact. Was hit by cars twice while riding motorcycles and had 25+ race crashes that I walked away from. Never crashed on my own on the road but tried I learned that racing makes you fast on the street and that's not a good thing.
Getting back to road biking again more and more after being hit but careful to not ride in busy traffic or at peak busy times. I actually think I lost the nerve of riding motorcycles on the highway. Not for speed but for being squashed between cars in stop and go traffic.
Getting back to road biking again more and more after being hit but careful to not ride in busy traffic or at peak busy times. I actually think I lost the nerve of riding motorcycles on the highway. Not for speed but for being squashed between cars in stop and go traffic.
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Nope. Quit riding motorcycles in 2008 or so. Was riding my bicycle more miles than I was putting on my motorcycle so I sold it. Had lot's of years of fun on motorcycles and thankful to walk away somewhat intact. Was hit by cars twice while riding motorcycles and had 25+ race crashes that I walked away from.
Getting back to biking on the road again more and more after being hit but careful to not ride in busy traffic or at peak busy times. I actually think I lost the nerve of riding motorcycles on the highway. Not for speed but for being squashed between cars in stop and go traffic.
Getting back to biking on the road again more and more after being hit but careful to not ride in busy traffic or at peak busy times. I actually think I lost the nerve of riding motorcycles on the highway. Not for speed but for being squashed between cars in stop and go traffic.
Too bad about the double standard. If cars were as dangerous as motorcycles, we would all be safer because car drivers would be more careful. Reality is, most auto drivers get a do over every time they make a mistake because they are surrounded by a cocoon of metal.
Cheers brother.
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I've been mulling this over since the original post a couple of weeks ago. I feel like I should have a good idea, since I rode motorcycles since I was 15, for about 10 years nothing but. Everything from trials bike to 1000cc, a bit of motocross racing. I was inclined to say it makes for a better cyclist, and vice versa, but honestly I don't think so. Riding motorcycles and bicycles are vastly different. I think that there's not a lot of cross-over in skills, judgement or even in handling and balance.
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Target fixation is the cause of a lot of bike racing crashes that I've seen & been in. Look at that pile of dudes on the ground, I think I'll join them.
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Too bad about the double standard. If cars were as dangerous as motorcycles, we would all be safer because car drivers would be more careful. Reality is, most auto drivers get a do over every time they make a mistake because they are surrounded by a cocoon of metal.
Cheers brother.
Cheers brother.
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Have you guys ever notice that when a bicycle rider coming from the other direction tends to focus on you that they actually ride toward you almost crossing the middle of the road? Same principle. People ride toward where they look.
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