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Old 07-28-16, 09:44 PM
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Strava v Radar

Wasn't quite sure which forum was best for this, but figured I'd get the most abuse here. On my commute home today I passed one of those radar contraptions that tells you your speed. It said 18mph. Checked strava on my Apple Watch and it was 15.6mph.

Who's lying?
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Apple is not accurate for speed over short distances
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Wouldn't use Strava as a speedometer. I've found my computer to be pretty consistent with radar signs.
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Between those two I'd trust the radar sign. But I'd trust a simple magnet-based cyclometer with correct wheel size setting over either of them.
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I use my Garmin watch on the bars and there's this radar on my way back home. Those two readings jive with each other.
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Old 07-29-16, 04:02 AM
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There's no real way to know. RADAR units have to be calibrated periodically, so it could have been an inaccurate reading. Besides, there could have been a data transmission delay between your phone and your watch, so you might have actually been going 18mph but the data on your watch hadn't yet caught up.

In terms of speed detection accuracy, I'd rate it accordingly:
1. As @prathmann mentioned, a wheel sensor (properly setup) is the most accurate.
2. RADAR
3. GPS-based cycling computer
4. GPS-based phone app
5. Time divided by distance
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I'll just add that my Garmin Edge shows ride elevations that are always short of reality. Example: I do a ride that shows 2300 ft. of elevation and it's really 2600 ft. Other Garmin models are more accurate.
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Strava polls GPS data once per second and extrapolates data based on two points. Not reliable for a single point in time reading.
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Originally Posted by RNAV
5. Time divided by distance
Hours/mile?
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
Hours/mile?
Exactly why its the least accurate of the bunch!
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
Hours/mile?
Maybe he's riding up mount Everest?
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Originally Posted by Tycho Brahe
Strava polls GPS data once per second and extrapolates data based on two points. Not reliable for a single point in time reading.
thought that was a cell phone app, and so would use cell tower signals not gps satellites
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
Hours/mile?
You passed the test!!! Good job.

So, yeah, posting pre-espresso didn't work out too well for me, lol.
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Originally Posted by prathmann
Between those two I'd trust the radar sign. But I'd trust a simple magnet-based cyclometer with correct wheel size setting over either of them.
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Originally Posted by RNAV
You passed the test!!! Good job.

So, yeah, posting pre-espresso didn't work out too well for me, lol.
It should be knots, but we'll leave that for another day.
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My experience is that radar usually reads ~1 mph low compared to a Garmin (with speed sensor). I think probably just due to the angle between the radar and the direction I'm traveling.
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Who the heck has time to look at a radar when passing it, much less also look at your watch/computer and then compare the two?

I mean, even at my leisurely 500 watts, I blink and it's like loooong gone. Didn't even see it. Radar? What radar?
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Originally Posted by Doug28450
Hours/mile?
If you're a very slow runner...
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
thought that was a cell phone app, and so would use cell tower signals not gps satellites
Turn off your GPS and see how well Strava works. Using cell tower triangulation to determine location is even more unreliable and something Strava would not have access to anyways.
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Originally Posted by Tycho Brahe
Turn off your GPS and see how well Strava works. Using cell tower triangulation to determine location is even more unreliable and something Strava would not have access to anyways.
excuse my ignorance, I don't have a smartphone yet
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
thought that was a cell phone app, and so would use cell tower signals not gps satellites
Smartphones generally have GPS.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
excuse my ignorance, I don't have a smartphone yet
They have real GPS. I've used them in wilderness areas far from any cell reception for maps, and because Google has an excellent "sky map" app that identifies stars, planets, and constellations in the night sky.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
They have real GPS. I've used them in wilderness areas far from any cell reception for maps, and because Google has an excellent "sky map" app that identifies stars, planets, and constellations in the night sky.
Yes, many phones have real GPS that's further assisted by tower triangulation. That said, I've found my Garmin to be far more accurate.
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