BigPoser

The wheel is laced radially with 20 spokes.

zymphad

Still waiting...

BigPoser

Let me see about getting it up today.

BigPoser

Fuji SL 54cm Build
Frame 745
Fork 272
Headset and Bolt 48
Post Clamp 20
120mm Stem - Kalloy UNO 118
Praxis BB 98
Front Brake - KCNC 88
Rear Brake - KCNC 89
Spacers 4
Handlebar - K-Force Nano 42cm 190
Expander - Extralite 6
Shifters - Chorus 360
Tape - Fizik Micro 107
Saddle - Selle Italia SLR Superflow 188
Cages - Carbon Works 12
Chain - Campy Chorus 235
Derailleur Hanger 37
Front De - Chorus 76
Rear De - Chorus 187
Crank Arm w/ pedal - Chorus / Speedplay 347
Crank w/ pedal - Chorus / Speedplay 519
Brake Cable housing - Alligator I-Link 58
Brake Cable - Alligator 26
Shifter housing - Alligator mini I-Link 41
Shifter cable - Alligator 22
Cassette - Ultegra 11-28 235
Rear Wheel - Spark Wheel Works 55mm carbon 852
Front Wheel - Spark Wheel Works 45mm carbon 661
Power Tap hub 120
Skewers - BHS 58
Sealant - Stans 114
Tires - Schwalbe Pro One 23mm tubeless 457
Garmin Mount 56


6446

zymphad

Did you decide on Chorus rather than Potenza because of weight? Campagnolo themselves claim they don't produce different levels of performance, so I can only think it must be materials and weight?

Also how do you like the thumb shifters? I really liked it when I used Claris in the past, but haven't used it on Campagnolo yet. But thinking my hands may be too small to use if in the drops.

zymphad

Also will look forward to a ride review compared to your 066. Also would be nice if you can list reasons why you bought an SL, what were you looking for that the 066 lacks?

Maelochs

Thanks. I am always looking for lighter but affordable replacements for parts I haven't worn out yet.

You spent a little more than I but saved a couple pounds ... since I haven't been improving my fitness I guess I need to start increasing my spending.

I do like the bike, though. Maybe I need to have a bad crash and wreck one of my bikes so I can replace it. (But not So bad a wreck that I cannot rebuild the crashed bike later on, of course .... )

I wish I had thought of that when I crashed and broke my collarbone.

zymphad

I think the SL lightest frame is only going to save you 150 grams. You're better off spending $10 at Planet Fitness if weight is the issue, haha.

rpenmanparker 

Sorry for the delay. Here it is. A bit on the dirty side, but so be it.

13.5 lb as shown.

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Maelochs

That's the bike that ruined my bank account.

Maelochs

lately the issue is two jobs, and 70+ hours per week ... coupled with laziness. But .... once I get back ahead of the game financially I might be able to .... buy stuff I don't need again.

I wouldn't buy a new frame---Mr. Penmanparker proves you can get down to sub-ridiculous weight with the 066 (though his is a size smaller---that's probably three pounds right there.) I have semi-clyde wheels and a lo-fi cockpit These guys both have hand-built wheels which weigh a pound less. ... Both he and the OP have ridiculously light and expensive brakes. I went with Flex-tegra.

As you know ... I could build a 14-lb bike and it would be realistically equivalent to what I have now ... which is a personal weight and fitness issue. But I can also find some part which is not too expensive and will still save a little weight ... something to lust after which isn't far outside the bounds of common sense (or my potential budget) and will (at least on paper) provide some weight loss, so I can pretend that buying it would be rational.

No part of building a lightweight CF bike was rational for me. I don't care.

rpenmanparker 

The 999 g (I swear) tubular wheels are a big help getting to the low weight. And not pricey at all. Rims are going for under $200 delivered right now.

zymphad

Eh, I'm guessing my bike will be around the 16 lb mark and fine with it. SRAM is lighter, but I can't stand double tap, no matter how much I try it, I just can't. And I prefer ALU wheels right now, I'm not gonna switch to carbon unless I'm using disc.

Quick estimate so far:

Frame & Fork 1200
Wheels + Tires + Tubes + Cassette 2700
3T ARX Pro Stem 160
Pro PLT Compact 260
Fizik Tape 60
Power Saddle 260
105 5800 Complete -BB -Cassette 2176
BB 164
Seatpost 200
Bottle cages x2 90
Cables/Housing 200

rpenmanparker 

Too bad about Double Tap. I love it.

zymphad

I like the look of the all black bikes. Nothing more ugly than a bike plastered in logos and decals. I think for me that might be why branded frames are a turn off. Cannondale/Specialized bikes must have close to 50 decals.

The Fuji is done well. Nice job on the bike!

stockae92

I can't find much review on KCNC brakes, except for CB1 which reviewers said its flexy.

KCNC web site isn't much help either on trying to compare CB7, 9 and 10.

They seems to be better deal with the other light brakes out there.

Any review would be helpful.

zymphad

Well, how do you like your machine? Review comparison to the 066?

99Klein 

Beautiful and light. Excellent combo.

BigPoser

I love it! Simple as that. I'm not much for detailed reviews, but the differences are noticeable. First thing was the weight. It is over a pound lighter than my 066, granted I made some changes with some of the components that I switched over, but still.
The next area that I really noticed was how stiff it is in comparison to my 066. When standing next to my 066 with the nearest crank arm down and while holding the brakes, I could apply some pressure the down crank arm pedal and visually see the bottom bracket area of the frame move a fair amount. In doing the same thing on the SL, it still moves, but much much less. It is a lot stiffer. Because of this I do feel a few more bumps and more of the road surfaces imperfections, but nothing that would be called uncomfortable. 3 hour rides are a non issue. I can't comment on anything longer than that as I'm yet to go beyond 3.
It is extremely stable at speeds above 30, and I've had it at 51 a few times. Rock solid. I would say that the steering is also more, twitchy, for lack of a better term. Certainly not unmanageable, but it did take me a couple rides to get used to it. It goes where you point it and seems that it wants to get there in a hurry.

So far I have no complaints whatsoever. I feel that I have a pro level bike for half the price as its competitors. It absolutely rips and has far exceeded my expectations. Now I just need to work on the motor to match the bike.

rpenmanparker 

The -066 is on the edge of stiffness that I would want. Not more than that.

No offense, BigPoser, but I have never given much credence to the "push down on the crankarm" test of stiffness. It is qualitative at best.

As far as weight is concerned, I would love to have the 115 g savings from the frame and 70 from the fork, but that is just 2/5 lb. The rest of the weight savings you have made is from components. If we are talking about the frame, it is important to realize this. You do mention it, but then slough it off. I think it is more imporant than that.

Personally I would prefer the stability of the -066. Twitchy is not for me.

Really glad you like the frame. I know you will enjoy it.

gsindela

To what rims are you referring?

BigPoser

I hear ya. Please don't get me wrong, I really like my 066, but the SL is just different. I would categorize the SL as a real race frame where the 066 can be raced if you wanted too. I actually saved 230 grams when you include the savings from the frame and fork.

Twitchy wasn't a good word, I think maybe responsive would be better suited.

By the way, I'm keeping my 066 for a later build.

rpenmanparker 

I did catch my weight mistake and corrected it. See above.

I won't argue with you about the raceability question. It's personal preference. But do consider how much racing is done on bikes just like the -066 or flexier. Very few folks are saying a frame like that isn't a real race frame. Certainly you would be hard pressed to demonstrate that one of the frames we are talking about is faster than the other. But I am certainly happy to acknowledge your preference for the Fuji SL. I mean that is what this sport is all about, what you like and what you don't. Admittedly I haven't ridden the SL, but I sure would like to try it. You can't learn too much about this sport.

rpenmanparker 

Lightest tubulars from onlycarbonwheels on ebay:

Maelochs

Glad you like the bike and glad you described in the terms you did.

I am with The Penmanparker when it comes to 066 flex---stiffer wouldn't be bad, but I don't feel like less compliance is what the frame cries out for. It is comfortable and i really cannot feel a lot of flex ... maybe if I had muscles .... I would call the 066 stable, eager, responsive, and comfortable. Not specifically "racy."

As for "twitchy" I think we all know exactly what you mean---that feeling of a really steep head angle and more than immediate response, where you almost move and the bike turns, you are surprised and try to catch it and just did a series of unplanned S-turns because you blinked too hard.

Once you settle in with it it is fine, but it does take more attention, I think ... any little lean or push will have you changing direction before you know you moved. Sort of like a really tight, taut, racing sports car as opposed to a road-going sports car. You Might be able to drive with one hand ... but you won't want to.

Nothing good or bad about it, as with frame stiffness. it s a just a different characteristic a frame can have, and for people who want it, it is what they want.

Neither characteristic would make me not want to buy the frame, but it is good to know what I would be buying, so your review is really helpful.

I am actually thinking more WW 085 if I wanted another CF frame .... or maybe if I could find a Giant Defy which some dentist didn't ride .....