nova

well the one hill that i hate and dispise turns out to be a fairly wimpy hill.
heres the stats (got them useing google earth and cycli stats
sc is silvercreek cm is the road with the evil but small grade hill house to cm same road but from my house to highest point

sc

Elevation Gain: 50 feet
Distance: .29 mi
Average Grade: 3.27%
172 feet of climbing per mile (1 in 31)

cm

Elevation Gain: 10 feet
Distance: .69 mi
Average Grade: 0.27%
14 feet of climbing per mile (1 in 364)

house to 1093 alt cm

Elevation Gain: 10 feet
Distance: 1.95 mi
Average Grade: 0.1%
5 feet of climbing per mile (1 in 1,030)

Strange thing is the hill on cleve mass road takes alot more out of me than the one at silver creek that is well as you see by the stats quite a monster I dont know if this is just some psycological thing because im most often solo on this hill or if its because the total hill climb distance is around 2 miles each way. At any rate i took the beast sc hill in 52-11 and it felt pretty good i actually gained speed for most of the hill and lost speed in the last 20 or so feet. My goal is to eccelrate all the way up the hill pref with out any shiftign. Its a very short hill climb at .29 miles so shoudl be very doable id think I didnt copy the stats but the entire hill from one road to the lowest point is a 2.24% grade over avarage. With the last .29-.30 miles being the 3.27% grade. This is the same hill i hit 46.9 mph on a old beat up mtb on going down hill pedaling till it felt like i had no chain attached heh.

bike756

10 feet isn't a hill, it's an irregularity in the road surface.

USAZorro

Seriously.

dahvaio

THe distances are:
Distance: .29 mi @ 3.27% Could be considered a little hill but not likely... just a slight grade

Distance: .69 mi @0.27%
Distance: 1.95 mi @ 0.1%

I'm not getting it but how could any of the above be considered "MONSTERS?

nova

Lol i know. Thats why i just dont under stand why its messing with me so much. I guess its because its total of 5.5 miles seeing well basically 3 to 5 cars and almost never another rider. Course i also cant be sure how accurate google earths alt readings are. But based on the looks of silver creeks monster im guessing fairly accurate. What made me decide to power up the thing today like i did was a damn roller blader climbing up it with what looked like no effort. No way in hell was i gona be out done by a blader (just kidding so if any bladers are here lurking dont go nuts and kill me or somethign )

nova

Well the one at silver creak is basically one big curve as well over the lenght. Pluss starting on the grade is a good bit harder than starting on the flat at the bottom. Also remember i just got back to biking after nearly 4 and half years of no bikeing. Only been doing any amount of distance sence aug 24th. Did one 30 mile ride prior to that. So for me while flat nearly flat is nothing hills still suck the life out of my legs. 3 4 or even 5% may be little to nothing for most but coming back to ridimg after 4+ years its a fair bit tuffer. Also my bike is in worse shape than i am. Old beat up derailers mostly. Im sure the hole bike could use a good re lube and its going to get that some time bef the 25th ( want to do at least 30 miles in the kaweinans club ride pref the full 61.

KevinF

By what means are you measuring these grades to the hundredth of a percent? 0.01% grade is equivalent to about 6 inches / mile. That is one sensitive altimeter.

In my experience, any grade of less then 3% is essentially invisible -- i.e., it's a false flat. I've found most riders need a few miles of false flats before they even realize they've been going uphill at all.

Your mind must be playing some serious tricks on you if you're noticing these grades at all.

nova

In the case of the silver creek hill i can asure you its not a mind trick. At the bottom of the hill you can look up across the lake and easly see the hill. When looking at the hill head on you need to look up a fair bit to see the stop sing at the intersection and cant even think of seeing the pavement. As for how i got the numbers i used google earth. I cant be sure of its accuracy. Maybe ill make me one of those grade mesureing devices earl posted links to.
Let me double check the alt gain/loss on one of the topo map sites to be sure. Wont be as accurate as going out and takign mesurements but will tell the tell as to how accurate google earth realy is.

daytonian

Nova
Where is this website your getting your topographic info?

Mentor58

If you give me a good guide to where the hills are, I'll stick them into TOPO tomorrow (don't have a copy on the 'puter I'm on at the moment), and I'll post up the elevation profiles of them.

Steve W

joejack951

If you post the addresses of the roads you are referring to, I can post the altitude data from the Delorme topo software.

nova

This is where im trying at the moment but cant make heads or tails of the info. scuse the extreamly long url

https://mapserver.maptech.com/homepag...latlontype=DMS

and heres a map showing the parks roads. The road with the hill is the lower one in the field of green. Most of the hill is on the curved section from intersection to the last sharp andgled turn on the road map. Infact you can see where the hill essentialy ends look for the spill way in this pic youll see it there easy enoug,
Use th route plan feture to get the distance between that point and the intersection.

https://tinyurl.com/8zbyx

nova

That would be great.
For the other hill on cleve masslion road best i know to do for it is look for s cleveland massilon road, norton ohio 44203 then follo it south to center road you realy cant miss it on a map its a fiarly major but very bike friendly rural road.

daytonian

[QUOTE=joejack951]If you post the addresses of the roads you are referring to, I can post the altitude data from the Delorme topo software.[/QUOTE

Could you topo Big Hill RD in Kettering Ohio 45429. It runs from Southdale to blossomheath and is one of my daily climbs.

nova

[QUOTE=daytonian]lol pore joe gona get spammed with requests heheh

joejack951

https://home.comcast.net/~joejackson9...assilon_Rd.JPG

Looks like it hits a max of 6%.

joejack951

https://home.comcast.net/~joejackson9..._Hill_Road.JPG

That's a monster. It hits 20% on that first short section then 13% on the last hill near the top.

joejack951

https://home.comcast.net/~joejackson9..._hill_road.JPG

Mojo Gogo and I got to tackle this as part of the Highlander this weekend. Max is 21% with the last 1/4 mile or so averaging 16%. My 30-27 got a workout.

nova

Ok now for silver creeks.
Lookfor hametown road and johnson road intersection head south on hametown Use the map i linked with tiny url to help locate the road in question . It head south/south west (its a unamed park road though so hard to say if your software will show the road it self or not.

nova

dear god 530 feet pluss alt gain in under 1 mile? Thats uh scarry. Heh i wonder if i could get up the hill in 52-11 and live to tell the tale .... Seriously doubt it something would likly snap that or i just could not maintain enough speed to balance and have to all but track stand to climb it. But i bet it sure is fun to go back down heheh

So on my cleve mass hill i guess i just need to change gears more. Ive barly been off my 52 tooth ring in 3rd or 4th cog from larest on free wheel (id give a tooth count but no lights where i got my bike at. Its a 7 speed free wheel with 11 tooth cog. Nothing custom geared about it plain old vanila free wheel.

joejack951

A cat 3 (or higher) racer passed me on the way up in a 39-23 and he was struggling. He weighed about 130 lbs. to my 160ish. Yes, you do need to change gears for hills. You should try and hold a relatively steady cadence if you can.

joejack951

https://home.comcast.net/~joejackson9...creek_Road.JPG

Going South to North, the downhill in the middle of the road hits 8% and the uphill right after gets up to 11%.

joejack951

Oh, and the reason your numbers were completely off is that you must have only been looking at the difference between the starting elevation and ending elevation of the road.

daytonian

Thanks Joe.

nova

Yep im looking at the elevation part of the jpg you posted now to get a idea of where the various areasare. And i try to maintain a nice even cadence. But some of the grade changes are fairly quick. As for the silver creek hill im gona guess based on what i can see that its at least 2x cleve mass or more. On cleave mass i can easly see the road surface ahead of me on this thing i cant see it at all on the intersecition. from the bottom. And i can just see the top 2/3 of the stop siing sing it self. Looking across the lake i can only see maybe the top 1/4. I do know the distance is correct do to fact i ride the towpath and it has mile markers road crossigns etc. Ernies bike shop for example is just past the 10 mile marker from summit county line and on google earth its like 10.23 miles from summit county line. So the hill in question at silver creek that i climb is .29 miles from the spill way to intersection.

And as for this program you use im getting me a copy for damn sure. I was looking at some demo maps in their screen shots and it looks like a fantastic piece of software for both route planning for milage and hills. At 99 bucks its a bargin to. Supposedly my brother found me a job at kmart Fairly sucky job other than 20% off that should get me well equiped with things like tools pumps and other stuff like that. Heck last time i was there they had some fairly nice bell helmets no fancy ratchet stuff but hey at 20 bucks -20% discount why not heh. Im not beyond buying stuff like tools pumps gloves etc from kmart lol. Just wish they had 700c presta valve tubes there or even 27 inch presta. Last time i had shreader valved rims i bought 4 tubes there for my 27 inch rims rated heavy duty. Lets just put it this way they were not kidding. I still have 2 in a set of rims down stairs that have been holding air for over 5 years ( i kid you not). I had one that i ran over a broken bear bottle with and sliced it inhalf. The part towards the road surface of the tire was easly 1/8 inch thick.