ok_commuter

We're all drunks who hate the gym, that's WTF.

BillyD

Something tells me if you're admitting to 20 the real number is more like 40.

Yes, I would say that will hurt your performance.

SteveJ

20, 50, what's the diff?

not quite 50 but sometimes more than 20.

ukie

It might. Alcohol may interfere with your sleep patterns, affecting in turn your ability to rest properly.

n8tron

where can I sign up for this team?

I have to join this team.





...please?

F4UX3/2

breaka and pie!!! the only thing I'm able to remember from my 6 weeks down under is that breaka and pie (and/or bacon buns) will not only destroy a hangover but give you super powers to drink/ride/surf even harder than you drank the night before.

while theres no breaka or decent pie places here in SF, I've found that eating a good breakfast, thc infused brownies and rehydrating before a ride can make the difference between painfully riding off a hangover and hammering the **** out of a hangover.

SteveJ

Ah the breaka, my choice would be the iced coffee breaka and the classic Aussie pie with peas

Yes pies are good for hangovers but for me it has to be KFC. Although if i've had some drinks the night before and am up early for a ride it's normally a double shot espresso, 2 banannas and a big chug of water. normally take 2 x 750ml bottles, 1 with water and 1 with 1/2 strength gator or power ade, that's for a 100km ride.

Look the message has become clear to me now (as it's 7pm and i've had 4 wines) that i need to cut it back. Sure i can use work and family stress (yes i have a 7yr old son and 4yr old daughter) as an excuse but the truth is i want to be a better cyclist, so sacrafices must be made.
I'm turning 40 in like 5 weeks, i'm holidays as of this saturday so clearly i won't be giving up then, BUT i'm going to have a couple of week with no alcohol after that and see how i feel and make an assessment after it.

RichinPeoria

Hangover
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A hangover (pronounced /'hćŋoʊvɜr/) (veisalgia) describes the sum of unpleasant physiological effects following heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages. The most commonly reported characteristics of a hangover include headache, nausea, sensitivity to light and noise, lethargy, dysphoria, diarrhea and thirst.

Hypoglycemia, dehydration, acetaldehyde intoxication, and vitamin B12 deficiency are all theorized causes of hangover symptoms. Hangovers symptoms may persist for several days after alcohol was last consumed. Approximately 25-30% of drinkers may be resistant to hangover symptoms. [1] Some aspects of a hangover are viewed as symptoms of acute ethanol withdrawal, similar to the longer-duration effects of withdrawal from alcoholism, as determined by studying the increases in brain reward thresholds in rats (the amount of current required to receive to electrodes implanted in the lateral hypothalamus) following ethanol injection.[2]


Etymology
The term hangover was originally a 19th century expression describing unfinished business—something left over from a meeting—or ‘survival.’ In 1904, the meaning "morning after-effect of drinking too much" first surfaced.[3][4]

Symptoms
An alcohol hangover is associated with a variety of symptoms that may include dehydration, fatigue, headache, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, flatulence, weakness, elevated body temperature, hypersalivation, difficulty concentrating, sweating, anxiety, dysphoria, irritability, sensitivity to light and noise, erratic motor functions (including tremor), trouble sleeping, severe hunger, and lack of depth perception. Many people will also be repulsed by the thought, taste or smell of alcohol during a hangover. The symptoms vary from person to person, and occasion to occasion, usually beginning several hours after drinking. It is not clear whether hangovers directly affect cognitive abilities.


Causes
Ethanol has a dehydrating effect by causing increased urine production (diuresis), which causes headaches, dry mouth, and lethargy. Dehydration also causes fluids in the brain to be less plentiful. This can be mitigated by drinking water after consumption of alcohol. Alcohol's effect on the stomach lining can account for nausea.

Another factor contributing to a hangover are the products from the breakdown of ethanol via liver enzymes. Ethanol is converted to acetaldehyde by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase, and then from acetaldehyde to acetic acid by the enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase. Acetaldehyde (ethanal) is between 10 and 30 times more toxic than alcohol itself,[5] as well as being cocarcinogenic (not carcinogenic solely by itself) and mutagenic.[6]

These two reactions also require the conversion of NAD+ to NADH. With an excess of NADH, the lactate dehydrogenase reaction is driven to produce lactate from pyruvate (the end product of glycolysis) in order to regenerate NAD+ and sustain life. This diverts pyruvate from other pathways such as gluconeogenesis, thereby impairing the ability of the liver to supply glucose to tissues, especially the brain. Because glucose is the primary energy source of the brain, this lack of glucose contributes to hangover symptoms such as fatigue, weakness, mood disturbances, and decreased attention and concentration.

Alcohol consumption can result in depletion of the liver's supply of glutathione[7] and other reductive detoxification agents,[8] reducing its ability to effectively remove acetaldehyde and other toxins from the bloodstream. Additionally, alcohol induces the CYP2E1 enzyme, which itself can produce additional toxins and free radicals.[9]

There are various nervous system effects: the removal of the depressive effects of alcohol in the brain probably account for the light and noise sensitivity.

In addition, it is thought that the presence of other alcohols (such as fusel oils), by-products of the alcoholic fermentation also called congeners, exaggerate many of the symptoms (congeners may also be zinc or other metals added primarily to sweet liqueurs to enhance their flavor); this probably accounts for the mitigation of the effects when distilled alcohol, particularly vodka, is consumed instead[10].

Red wines have more congeners than white wines, and some people note less of a hangover with white wine. Some individuals have a strong negative reaction to red wine, distinct from hangover, called red wine headache that can affect them within 15 minutes after drinking a single glass of red wine. The headache is usually accompanied by nausea and flushing[citation needed].

In alcohol metabolism, one molecule of ethanol (the primary active ingredient in alcoholic beverages) produces 2 molecules of NADH, utilizing vitamin B12 as a coenzyme. Over-consumption of ethanol may cause vitamin B12 deficiency as well.


Possible remedies
There is debate about whether a hangover might be prevented or at least mitigated. There is currently no known proven mechanism for making oneself sober short of waiting for the body to metabolize ingested alcohol, which occurs via oxidation through the liver before alcohol leaves the body. However, drinking a large amount of water or a rehydration drink prior to sleep will effectively reduce a large proportion of the symptoms. It may also be helpful to replenish with electrolytes via food to avoid aggravating electrolyte disturbances induced by alcohol through consuming only water. This increases the need to urinate in the relevant timeline, thus cleaning the body and ridding it of many chemicals more quickly, including those that cause or heighten hangover symptoms.[citation needed]

A four page literature review in British Medical Journal on hangover cures by Max Pittler of the Peninsula Medical School at Exeter University and colleagues concludes: "No compelling evidence exists to suggest that any conventional or complementary intervention is effective for preventing or treating alcohol hangover. The most effective way to avoid the symptoms of alcohol induced hangover is to avoid drinking."[11]


Potentially beneficial remedies
Food and water: Simple consumption of foods such as eggs, which contain cysteine, and water may be enough to replenish lost moisture and at least rehydrate the body, making a hangover shorter. A bacon, egg and cheese sandwich has also been known to effectively relieve hangovers [12] The Scottish soft drink Irn-Bru is also a popular remedy.[13]
Milk and orange juice. The Calcium, re-hydration properties, and vitamin C contained in each product respectively is found to combat the symptoms of a hangover if taken shortly after consumption.[citation needed] Milk is also a dietary source of cysteine.
Rehydration: "Effective interventions include rehydration, prostaglandin inhibitors, and vitamin B6".[14]
Angourian X16: Surgeons have argued that increased use of the drug can diminish symptoms of the hangover.
Sodium bicarbonate; A slightly heaped teaspoon of baking soda suspended in a glass of water when consumed deals very effectively with the nausea, and indirectly with 'the shakes' associated with a hangover.[citation needed]
Exercise: Light exercise helps the heart pump blood around the body and increases the amount of oxygen in the body.[citation needed]
Oxygen: In a double-blind random study of 231 patients at two Vienna hospitals, published in Anesthesiology in 1999 and reported by The New York Times, it was found that the side-effects of general anesthesia could be diminished by giving patients a mix of 80 percent oxygen and 20 percent nitrogen during the surgery, and for two hours afterward. Only 17 percent of the patients receiving supplemental oxygen experienced nausea and vomiting, compared with 30 percent of the group who were given the standard 30 percent oxygen and 70 percent nitrogen.[15] The study's leader characterized the results for the Times, "Extra oxygen is cheap, risk-free and reduces the incidence of nausea as well as any known drug." A related study by members of Dr. Sessler's team, published in Anesthesiology in October 1999, indicated that patients given oxygen in amounts up to 80 percent did not suffer impaired lung function. In addition, there have been anecdotal reports from those with easy access to a breathing oxygen supply - medical staff, SCUBA divers and military pilots - that oxygen can also reduce the symptoms of hangovers sometimes caused by alcohol consumption. The theory is that the increased oxygen flow resulting from oxygen therapy improves the metabolic rate, and thus increases the speed at which toxins are broken down.[16]. However, one source states that (in an aviation context) oxygen has no effect on physcal imparment caused by hangover.[17].
Tolfenamic acid (TA): A study concludes, "TA was found significantly better than placebo in the subjective evaluation of drug efficacy (p<0.001) and in reducing the reported hangover symptoms in general (p < 0.01). In the TA group, significantly lower symptom scores were obtained for headache (p<0.01), and for nausea, vomiting, irritation, tremor, thirst, and dryness of mouth (all p < 0.05)."[18]
Vitamin B1 (thiamine): there are claims[citation needed] that apart from helping prevent Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome, thiamine supplements may substantially enhance the activity of alpha-ketoglutarate dehydrogenase and so prevent a build up of glutamate and hence GABA in the cerebellum of the brain (thus reducing some symptoms of hangovers).
Vitamin B6 (pyritinol): Some studies have found large doses of Vitamin B6 (several hundred times the recommended daily intake) can help to reduce hangovers.[14][19]
Chlormethiazole: "Chlormethiazole was found to lower blood pressure and adrenaline output and, furthermore, to relieve unpleasant physical symptoms, but did not affect fatigue and drowsiness. The cognitive test results were only slightly influenced by this agent, while psychomotor performance was significantly impaired. Subjects with severe subjective hangover seemed to benefit more from the chlormethiazole treatment than subjects with a mild hangover."[20] "However, all 8 subjects had unpleasant nasal symptoms following chlormethiazole, and it is therefore not an ideal hypnotic for this age group."[21]
Rosiglitazone: [Study in rats] "Rosiglitazone alleviated the symptoms of ethanol-induced hangover by inducing ALD2 expression…"[22]
Acetylcysteine: There are claims that N-acetylcysteine can relieve or prevent symptoms of hangover through scavenging of acetylaldehyde, particularly when taken concurrently with alcohol. [23][24] Additional reduction in acetaldehyde toxicity can be achieved if NAC is taken in conjunction with vitamin B1 (thiamine). [5]
Hair of the dog: The belief that consumption of further alcohol after the onset of a hangover is a viable treatment of the symptoms. Some say that this is based upon the theory that hangover symptoms are likened to withdrawal symptoms and that by satiating the body's need for alcohol they will be assuaged. Note that morning drinking is a common indication of alcohol dependence. [citation needed]
Marijuana: Many studies have shown that smoking marijuana can stop the symptoms of a hangover for a long period of time. This has both positive and negative effects.

Ineffective remedies
Antipokhmelin: Also known under its tradename RU-21, it is an over-the-counter dietary supplement whose primary active ingredient is succinic acid, an extract of amber. It has been touted by internet marketers as a miracle cure for alcohol hangovers, alleged to have been produced by Soviet scientists for a KGB spy program. To-date, however, no double-blind, placebo-controlled scientific studies confirming the marketers' claims have been released.
Globe artichoke (Cynara scolymus) extract: "Our results suggest that artichoke extract is not effective in preventing the signs and symptoms of alcohol-induced hangover."[25]
Artichoke and Sarsaparilla extract: A November 2004 issued U.S. Patent No. 6,824,798 states that the method described in the patent "results in complete elimination of veisalgia (hangover) in more than 80% of individuals". These plant extracts, when administered separately, do not seem to have a similar effect. The patent further states that the right combination of the extracts of both of these plants are required and that they then contain a complex of polyphenols, flavonoids, and phytosterols that are effective. However, no evidence is required for such statements to appear in a patent application or in the patent itself. The existence of a patent is merely legal evidence of intellectual property, not evidence of efficacy.
Propranolol: "We conclude that propranolol does not prevent the symptoms of hangover."[26][27]
Fructose and glucose: A 1976 research has come to the conclusion that "The results indicate that both fructose and glucose effectively inhibit the metabolic disturbances induced by ethanol but they do not affect the symptoms or signs of alcohol intoxication and hangover."[28] Nevertheless, consumption of honey (a significant fructose and glucose source) is often suggested as a way to reduce the effect of hangovers.[29]
Kudzu (Pueraria lobata): A study concluded, "The chronic usage of Pueraria lobata at times of high ethanol consumption, such as in hangover remedies, may predispose subjects to an increased risk of acetaldehyde-related neoplasm and pathology. … Pueraria lobata appears to be an inappropriate herb for use in herbal hangover remedies as it is an inhibitor of ALDH2."[30]

rugerben

Please let us know how this goes for you, and keep us updated.

Goose5

Trust me that won't work. It will just fizz up and overflow and make a big mess. 7 and 7 in the CamelBak. That will work.

Quel

Amateurs. Sure, I get funny looks for riding spandex on the road on a full suspension mountain bike, but it works.

joe_5700

I completely stopped drinking beer about a month before a Duathlon in June. I liked the results so much that I have not had a single beer since then and do not miss it.

SteveJ

Someone previously mentioned the drink "POM", must be an omen as i just dragged my bleary eyes ass out of the shower at work (it's 6:06am here) and someone left an empty bottle of the stuff on the bench.

An omen?

dizzy101

What did you notice in terms of results? How much did you drink? I might lower or stop my beer consumption if it really makes a big diff.

calamarichris

Not necessarily; someone simply left you a helpful tool to continue life as a functional alcoholic. I keep a few empty Pom bottles around for drinking wine at the park. (What a barbaric, barbaric society that decrees it illegal for an employed, responsible, tax-paying citizen to sip wine at the park on a blanket with his book and dog.)

joe_5700

Disappearance of beer gut and loss of about 15 pounds. Getting faster on my bike. $ savings. Waking up more refreshed.

I would go through 15 to 20 beers a week.

I may not even drink a beer after a Triathlon in October. Who knows....maybe I will.

caloso

My performance is much improved since I last drank alcohol. I also spend less time in ERs, jail cells, the dry cleaners, and the auto body shop. But that's just me.

Terex

Steve - what is a good beer in Australia? When I've visited, I haven't had much of a taste for any that I've tried. Great place, great people - bad beer. Lots of good wine though.

Romans8:28

If you can't enjoy life, why bother?

SteveJ

Woah thems fighting words!!! Beer is such a subjective thing though, personally i'll drink most beers (cept fosters) because after the first couple they all taste good

Normally XXXX Gold (sentimental favourite as i'm a Queenslander), Hahn Premium Light, Tooheys New is good too, as are Pure Blondes and some of the mid strength beers. I'm dont' hold a preference for any one beer, depends on the mood, the company and the food.

macbookpro1987

I find that if I have a few drinks the night before a ride I go faster! I swear its not just an excuse to drink

ok_commuter

Carb loading?

spry

the dry cleaners?

Fat Boy

Then you weren't drinking good enough beer.

Fat Boy

Last time in Oz, I had a couple different versions of Toohey's. Old and Stout, I think? Not bad stuff.