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Am i the only one who's not convinced of the aero benefits of the hidden rear brake? i mean, it looks cleaner, but besides looks, there is still air moving under the BB...
I'm not talking about things like BMC's integrated brakes on their TM01, but about things like the new Madone, which still stick out of the frame
I'm not talking about things like BMC's integrated brakes on their TM01, but about things like the new Madone, which still stick out of the frame
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Anywho, the brake in the BB as BALM Co said, does help with stiffness as well as weight. When you can incorporate the brakes into the frame, you reduce the need to reinforce the frame with mounting points and extra bolts. The BB is already made to be a stiff area on the bike for the crank so there is already extra carbon there anywho. Then you go add more carbon to the seat stays and mounting points for brakes and you just added unneeded weight. So, Trek used the already stiff area of the BB, and incorporated the rear brake in that area getting rid of the extra carbon / hardware on the seat stays. This allowed them to conectrate on making the seat stays more aero, and the rear triangle a bit more stiff / compliant.
So although the integrated rear brake does help with aero a little bit, the best part about it is the freed up weight / added stiffness / aero to the rear triangle.
Someone mentioned "Id like to see the mechanics do brake adjustments on the fly with that rear brake...". Well, there is a barral adjuster and open / close tab right under the handlebar where the rear brake cable enters the frame. This will allow the rider to open / close their brake, as well as do slight adjustments right from their saddle while still maintaining a safe ride position.
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Trek is going to make a killing on their rear wheels now. Talk about a nice mucky, slushy, gritty mix on them rear brakes should you ever get near water. Just remember that the closer you move a component toward the ground, the quicker it will jam with grit.
I still think the Scott Foil has the best "look" of any aero-bike.
I still think the Scott Foil has the best "look" of any aero-bike.
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Yes, there are aero benefits to the integrated rear brake in the BB, although as an everyday rider you may not truely feel it. You will notice the headtube / kamtail features though!
Anywho, the brake in the BB as BALM Co said, does help with stiffness as well as weight. When you can incorporate the brakes into the frame, you reduce the need to reinforce the frame with mounting points and extra bolts. The BB is already made to be a stiff area on the bike for the crank so there is already extra carbon there anywho. Then you go add more carbon to the seat stays and mounting points for brakes and you just added unneeded weight. So, Trek used the already stiff area of the BB, and incorporated the rear brake in that area getting rid of the extra carbon / hardware on the seat stays. This allowed them to conectrate on making the seat stays more aero, and the rear triangle a bit more stiff / compliant.
So although the integrated rear brake does help with aero a little bit, the best part about it is the freed up weight / added stiffness / aero to the rear triangle.
Someone mentioned "Id like to see the mechanics do brake adjustments on the fly with that rear brake...". Well, there is a barral adjuster and open / close tab right under the handlebar where the rear brake cable enters the frame. This will allow the rider to open / close their brake, as well as do slight adjustments right from their saddle while still maintaining a safe ride position.
Chris
Anywho, the brake in the BB as BALM Co said, does help with stiffness as well as weight. When you can incorporate the brakes into the frame, you reduce the need to reinforce the frame with mounting points and extra bolts. The BB is already made to be a stiff area on the bike for the crank so there is already extra carbon there anywho. Then you go add more carbon to the seat stays and mounting points for brakes and you just added unneeded weight. So, Trek used the already stiff area of the BB, and incorporated the rear brake in that area getting rid of the extra carbon / hardware on the seat stays. This allowed them to conectrate on making the seat stays more aero, and the rear triangle a bit more stiff / compliant.
So although the integrated rear brake does help with aero a little bit, the best part about it is the freed up weight / added stiffness / aero to the rear triangle.
Someone mentioned "Id like to see the mechanics do brake adjustments on the fly with that rear brake...". Well, there is a barral adjuster and open / close tab right under the handlebar where the rear brake cable enters the frame. This will allow the rider to open / close their brake, as well as do slight adjustments right from their saddle while still maintaining a safe ride position.
Chris
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So Trek seems to bee six weeks or so early this year. Dunno if other brands will follow suit or not.
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What will be interesting is seeing if anyone buys them. People buying high end bikes look at Cannondale, Specialized, Cervelo, Scott, Wilier, Pinarello, and a few others. But I don't know or heard of anyone looking at any of the bikes I just mentioned saying Trek is in the running. Wonder if that will change now?
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