Cervelo or Moots?
11-29-13, 09:38 AM
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11-29-13, 09:44 AM
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I certainly would hate to see this young man's thread denigrate into a frame material feud. I mean, I love those feuds as much as anybody, but still let's keep the man's thread a clean one please?
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11-29-13, 10:01 AM
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Actually I like them both and ride a bunch, I find myself riding the R5 on 30 or so mile rides, whereas my Roubaix I like for longer rides. Can't really explain as the ergos are very similar. I actually prefer the compact crank 50/34 of the roubaix over the 52/36 of the R5. I really think it comes down to aesthetics for me tho. I like the looks of the cervelo better so I tend to want to ride it more? But for 50 or 60+ miles I grab the roubaix.
So to sum up, the R5 for my daily riding and the roubaix for the weekend rides (longer).
Chris
So to sum up, the R5 for my daily riding and the roubaix for the weekend rides (longer).
Chris
11-29-13, 10:08 AM
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11-29-13, 10:20 AM
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Wow, thanks for all the responses. I know it's a very personal choice, but I appreciate the differing opinions. I plan on getting some more miles on both and making a decision in the spring. Will keep you updated! Thanks again.
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Moots.
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11-29-13, 11:07 AM
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A premium ti bike like Moots sounds great, but the reality is it never lives up to people's idealistic "last bike" they will ever own image.
As for OP, it really depends what your are looking for and what's your personal riding style and terrain you ride in. When you test ride, I think it will probably become obvious which one to go for because these two bikes are so different.
Physics dictates that for the same stiffness, the ti bike will be heavier, considerably. Personally, I would go with the Cervelo R3; it's an all around excellent bike for both touring and climbing, and racing if you are into it. You can set it up in a more relaxed geometry also if you want. Over the years, I've owned 3 ti bikes, none of them Moots tho (Merlin, Seven, and Litespeed), and they can't compare to the modern carbon bikes in term of weight and stiffness. They are no longer in my stable, which include two Cervelos. Speaking of longivity, one of my Cerevlo is 2008 and the other is 2011, and they are still going strong.
As for OP, it really depends what your are looking for and what's your personal riding style and terrain you ride in. When you test ride, I think it will probably become obvious which one to go for because these two bikes are so different.
Physics dictates that for the same stiffness, the ti bike will be heavier, considerably. Personally, I would go with the Cervelo R3; it's an all around excellent bike for both touring and climbing, and racing if you are into it. You can set it up in a more relaxed geometry also if you want. Over the years, I've owned 3 ti bikes, none of them Moots tho (Merlin, Seven, and Litespeed), and they can't compare to the modern carbon bikes in term of weight and stiffness. They are no longer in my stable, which include two Cervelos. Speaking of longivity, one of my Cerevlo is 2008 and the other is 2011, and they are still going strong.
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One of my friends owns a P-3, and she a sweetheart, but most owners I know are really arrogant posers.
11-29-13, 01:18 PM
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I'm sure everyone can tell it old by the dated paint job... What do you do if you scratch it? On my carbon bike I live with it. On my titanium bike I buff it out with a Scotch-Brite pad and Re polish...
11-29-13, 01:28 PM
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Dear Cervelo,
I have considered one of your bikes as they have been quite successful in to pro peloton and find their designs innovative and interesting.
But, I have one major concern. For some reason, everybody that rides your bike is arrogant.
It is because the bike is so good that it instills a sense of invincibility?
Can you explain this dynamic? I don't want to fall into this trap and therefore cannot consider a Cervelo at this time.
Do you think your bikes are possessed? Perhaps an exorcism may help?
Thanks for your consideration.
11-29-13, 02:19 PM
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Ooof. Tough call. Cervelo has a long history of quality issues. I think their bikes are mostly pretty poorly designed and made. Yes, "squoval" tubes might be a cool innovation in frame design, but it's all for nothing if the finished product gets tire rub because the clearances are stupidly tight. Which it does. Because they are.
Moots is a higher-quality product, but the aesthetic has NO appeal to me. None. I don't like their bikes. So I can't recommend one
. But between the two, I would say that the Moots is better put-together.
Moots is a higher-quality product, but the aesthetic has NO appeal to me. None. I don't like their bikes. So I can't recommend one
. But between the two, I would say that the Moots is better put-together.
11-29-13, 02:45 PM
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I have a 2006 Moots Compact, but I didn't it would be my last bike. I've used it in crits, club rides and centuries. It didn't hold me back. I got an Alchemy Xanthus this year, it's quicker and lighter than the Moots. It's my weapon of choice when hammering with the club. I love both bikes, but use the Alchemy when it's time to battle.
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11-29-13, 08:26 PM
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if you think you will never feel guilty about buying a new frame, because you probably will want to, when you don't really need one, buy the Moots. otherwise get the carbon one.
it's like picking a spouse, if you get one that ages poorly, you have the option of dumping him or her and getting a brand new one, guilt free. but it they age well, you may feel guilty about doing that just because they have grown tiresome...
it's like picking a spouse, if you get one that ages poorly, you have the option of dumping him or her and getting a brand new one, guilt free. but it they age well, you may feel guilty about doing that just because they have grown tiresome...
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11-29-13, 08:49 PM
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My last Ti, a Seven, had paint. For some reason, I never liked the plain look of Ti. I did the same thing ffor scratches I do with other materials and that's used touch-up paint.
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Maybe a letter to Cervelo management is in order...
Dear Cervelo,
I have considered one of your bikes as they have been quite successful in to pro peloton and find their designs innovative and interesting.
But, I have one major concern. For some reason, everybody that rides your bike is arrogant.
It is because the bike is so good that it instills a sense of invincibility?
Can you explain this dynamic? I don't want to fall into this trap and therefore cannot consider a Cervelo at this time.
Do you think your bikes are possessed? Perhaps an exorcism may help?
Thanks for your consideration.
Dear Cervelo,
I have considered one of your bikes as they have been quite successful in to pro peloton and find their designs innovative and interesting.
But, I have one major concern. For some reason, everybody that rides your bike is arrogant.
It is because the bike is so good that it instills a sense of invincibility?
Can you explain this dynamic? I don't want to fall into this trap and therefore cannot consider a Cervelo at this time.
Do you think your bikes are possessed? Perhaps an exorcism may help?
Thanks for your consideration.
I wouldn't call them superior, but they make a fine bike. Many think they are the best ever made, but then again, many people think SRAM is amazing too.
11-30-13, 10:09 AM
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I think what you are trying to say is that the Cervelo is not as unique as the Moots. What "truly unique" means is what you don't explain. Also, the decision making process based on "unique" is itself unique.
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Buy both. It would be wrong not to.
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I would say Moots, but also... you should look at Lynskey. I have yet to find a bike with a better ride than my R230.
