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Old 09-23-14, 06:05 PM
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@RollCNY People have new onset seizures all the time behind the wheel. I've personally had over 6 people as patients who have had a stroke while driving. One was a 42 y/o non smoker, who happened to have a hole in his heart that he didn't know about. Was that MVA his fault? **** happens sometimes! And sometimes you get hit by things despite following at an acceptable distance. You are being overly rigid in this argument which makes you sound like rpenmanparker
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Oh? Most, perhaps, but not all.

Non-speeding drivers swerve to avoid unexpected objects in the roadway.

Drivers experience temporary incapacitation due to medical condition.

I'm sure one can conjure up a number of other scenarios where law-abiding drivers crash.
...while it's true that you can probably conjure them, in a career of responding to them I can recall none.

I know that sound crazy, but from what i can dimly remember, every accident I had to go to where we spent
some time on the scene either cutting someone out of a car or hosing the blood off the sidewalk had a pretty
obvious cause that could have led to avoidance if addressed prior to the collision.

If you are a non speeding driver, and you swerve to avoid something, your responsibility is to either clearly
examine the area you're swerving into prior to occupying it, or to just run into the object if you have no clear
path of avoidance. the medical condition thing, I guess you ought to get one free pass, but people routinely
fail to stop driving when clearly they are physically incapable of it any more.
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Originally Posted by RUOkie
@RollCNY People have new onset seizures all the time behind the wheel. I've personally had over 6 people as patients who have had a stroke while driving. One was a 42 y/o non smoker, who happened to have a hole in his heart that he didn't know about. Was that MVA his fault? **** happens sometimes! And sometimes you get hit by things despite following at an acceptable distance. You are being overly rigid in this argument which makes you sound like rpenmanparker
...see, I knew there must be a few. But I'm relatively certain they are a minority of the chaos.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Hoping that you will take this in the constructive spirit it is intended, let me say that phrases like the one in bold are generally regarded as offensive. I can understand the temptation in this instance to use it if only in an ironic sense, but such characterizations have historically resulted in only negative outcomes. Thanks for understanding my positive intent here.
Dude... I hear you. I'm sorry if you were offended. I'm sorry if anyone was offended. That was certainly not my intention. I'm more than a little familiar with Jewish culture and history and the negative connotations of certain words- for what it's worth I don't say "gyp" either- and it's not a phrase I can remember ever using outside of quoting someone and that post. I used it deliberately there in the spirit of what I had anticipated would be perceived as a light-hearted post about one of my favorite parts of the Bible. (Hence God sighing heavily.) I had thought my time here and people's experience with me and my sense of humor might preclude my being precautionarily penciled in as a closet anti-Semite. I was wrong about this. (I have been taken to task on FB for the last hour due to my assertion the Mariners should attempt to acquire Billy Butler so clearly my judgement is faulty in a variety of fields today.) Some things we do not joke about. Point taken and thank you.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
VV, you are right my "no accidents" comment might be inflammatory, but every vehicular collision is a result of a human error, and most likely breaking a law, on someone's part, yet people don't say "I failed to yield the right of way", they say "I got into an accident". People crash in the winter, and blame the snow, when the root cause is imprudent speed for conditions.

If everything was purely luck, you would have days when everyone crashes, and days when no one does. But incompetence is far more predictable than luck.
This is an isolated example but the kid who ran into my car when he failed to yield- I was going straight and he was turning left at a non-arrowed intersection- said "Oh, Jesus! I'm really sorry I hit you. My phone rang and it was my dad so I had to take it." We were less than a mile from his house and after the crash his mom drove by, recognized his car, and stopped. He tried to tell her that same story and she shut him up but quick.
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Originally Posted by RUOkie
@RollCNY People have new onset seizures all the time behind the wheel. I've personally had over 6 people as patients who have had a stroke while driving. One was a 42 y/o non smoker, who happened to have a hole in his heart that he didn't know about. Was that MVA his fault? **** happens sometimes! And sometimes you get hit by things despite following at an acceptable distance. You are being overly rigid in this argument which makes you sound like rpenmanparker
Who BTW remains completely wrong about which kind of Grands is better.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...my advocacy is now limited to teaching at an running the co-op. What approach is that ?

I did not expect that pointing out the obvious...that there is a lot of foolish behavior on the part of road riders
in order to satisfy some need to "be all that you can be", and that Strava accounts seem to encourage it on the
part of some of them... would be received in the road forum as anything other than a turd in the punchbowl.

The fact that you cannot seem to let it go, as requested several times now my me, seems adequate proof of this, halfie.
The road forum has had exactly that discussion multiple times. Here for example: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...g-too-far.html

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Originally Posted by RUOkie
@RollCNY People have new onset seizures all the time behind the wheel. I've personally had over 6 people as patients who have had a stroke while driving. One was a 42 y/o non smoker, who happened to have a hole in his heart that he didn't know about. Was that MVA his fault? **** happens sometimes! And sometimes you get hit by things despite following at an acceptable distance. You are being overly rigid in this argument which makes you sound like rpenmanparker
Very true on me being overly rigid, and I even said it earlier. Of course things happen outside of the limits of human preparedness. Yes, some things really are bad luck. My sole point it has gotten so that everything is an accident. And it's not. Nyah nyah.

Some might say I am being contrary. But they are wrong. Also nyah nyah.

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@Ramona_W, I don't think you are antisemitic. I harrumphed solely so you would know the danger of the expression. Besides, I have never heard you defame Arabs, who are also Semites. All clear there!
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Originally Posted by Ramona_W
Dude... I hear you. I'm sorry if you were offended. I'm sorry if anyone was offended. That was certainly not my intention. I'm more than a little familiar with Jewish culture and history and the negative connotations of certain words- for what it's worth I don't say "gyp" either- and it's not a phrase I can remember ever using outside of quoting someone and that post. I used it deliberately there in the spirit of what I had anticipated would be perceived as a light-hearted post about one of my favorite parts of the Bible. (Hence God sighing heavily.) I had thought my time here and people's experience with me and my sense of humor might preclude my being precautionarily penciled in as a closet anti-Semite. I was wrong about this. (I have been taken to task on FB for the last hour due to my assertion the Mariners should attempt to acquire Billy Butler so clearly my judgement is faulty in a variety of fields today.) Some things we do not joke about. Point taken and thank you.
OMG, don't think that at all. In no way do I believe that. Some folks just aren't aware of the implications, and I wanted to go on record regarding that. Thanks for understanding.
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And on an inappropriate comment front, in the thread we cannot mention, it was asked since when did dying absolve one of fault, and I so wanted to say "since Jesus, man". But I dinnit. Don't hate me because I am beautiful.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Very true on me being overly rigid, and I even said it earlier. Of course things happen outside of the limits of human preparedness. Yes, some things really are bad luck. My sole point it has gotten so that everything is an accident. And it's not. Nyah nyah.

Some might say I am being contrary. But they are wrong. Also nyah nyah.

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Originally Posted by RollCNY
And on an inappropriate comment front, in the thread we cannot mention, it was asked since when did dying absolve one of fault, and I so wanted to say "since Jesus, man". But I dinnit. Don't hate me because I am beautiful.
...I thought I was out of the thread whose very name brings fear to the hearts of men, but they keep sucking me back in with specious argument. ..............................................#cantresistspecious
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
The road forum has had exactly that discussion multiple times. Here for example: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...g-too-far.html

The problem isn't the question.
...whatever you say, halfie, I'm finished with it. #alsotiredtoday
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
@Ramona_W, I don't think you are antisemitic. I harrumphed solely so you would know the danger of the expression. Besides, I have never heard you defame Arabs, who are also Semites. All clear there!
I so want to post a link to a Monty Python song right about now but I'm going to presume everyone is familiar with the work in question and not further press my luck.
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I am personally intrigued by the two threads started by the same guy today that have opposite points: all frames are the same and let's rate frames by grandeur. If they are the same, what's to rate? And he rates BMC very highly, so he could be one of HP's socks. Probably has a pompom on the back.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...I thought I was out of the thread whose very name brings fear to the hearts of men, but they keep sucking me back in with specious argument. ..............................................#cantresistspecious
My wife makes a good specious, using only the freshest lies.

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Originally Posted by RollCNY
My wife makes a good specious, using only the freshest lies.

Yum.
Are there layers? Lies are so much better when there are layers of them.
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@rollcny people have new onset seizures all the time behind the wheel. I've personally had over 6 people as patients who have had a stroke while driving. One was a 42 y/o non smoker, who happened to have a hole in his heart that he didn't know about. Was that mva his fault? **** happens sometimes! And sometimes you get hit by things despite following at an acceptable distance. You are being overly rigid in this argument which makes you sound like rpenmanparker
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Originally Posted by Ramona_W
Are there layers? Lies are so much better when there are layers of them.
I don't like layers as much as a faint hint of truth. There has to be just enough to smell plausible, but not so much that the frosting won't stick to the inconsistencies.
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OMG I was watching the epic collapse of former Cy Young award winner Felix "The Kind" Hernandez and wishing I still drank. Then they pulled him for Dominic Leone and Erasmo Ramirez who gave up four runs and hit two batters in just over an inning and I started wishing I still drank too much.
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Here in America it is always someone else's fault, find a lawyer, and sue the "beastard", you couldn't possible take responsibility for your own actions or lack of action.
Please don't get me started about this, as a mechanic, I could tell you stories that defy belief.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
Anyone know what kind of bird this is? It has an awesome call.

Eastern Yellow Breasted Tit-Willow
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
I am personally intrigued by the two threads started by the same guy today that have opposite points: all frames are the same and let's rate frames by grandeur. If they are the same, what's to rate? And he rates BMC very highly, so he could be one of HP's socks. Probably has a pompom on the back.
I saw not one mention of troll. Are we all going soft?
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