Weight Loss Tracking
#101
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Just food for thought (pun intended).
#102
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PhD student brought in a nice Whole Foods vegan chocolate cake. Since my diet began immediately upon first reading JB's thread, I refrained. My diet approach is simplistic: I eat pretty much what I like, and exclude cookies, cakes, ice cream, chips and beer.
#103
#104
Not saying you are incorrect, because every body is different. However, you might not be as underweight as you think. Many people consider the 2lbs/inch rule to be a target for bodyweight. This would put you at 148. I am 145lbs, 6'0" and feel that my weight is not a determent for this sport. Over the past couple years I'm sure I've put on a couple pounds in the legs - but this has come at the cost of losing a couple upper body pounds. I can see my ribs and my arms are pretty darn thin. But my core is solid and I have enough upper body strength to properly maneuver my bike. I don't get sick and I have no other health issues so I am satisfied with my weight. If you are really feeling held back by your low weight, you might focus more on nutrition (lots of good calories, vitamins, etc) instead of just trying to pack on the weight.
Just food for thought (pun intended).
Just food for thought (pun intended).
#105
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^^ According to Joe Friel, author of "The Cyclists Training Bible," most world class climbers weight less than 2lbs/inch of height. Not saying this isn't nuts, just saying.... well, just sayin'.
#107
LOL - well I guess I will have to give up my goal to become a world class climber then!
#109
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From: Deschutes
Sometimes I wished I had a bit more weight (the RR that was 30F, snow/hail, & sideways winds comes readily to mind) - but in general I think that it is a good weight target.
As per this and other threads I plan on trying to race a bit heavier this next year, but not by much. I am aiming for 3lbs extra which will be a combination of leg muscle, less fat (yes, I can go lower if I don't cheat w/ sugar) and a bit more upper body muscle (utilitarian purposes such as moving furniture etc)
there were lighter guys than me who tend to go quickly up climbs, there are larger guys than me going up climbs... but that weight is a good "sweet spot" for where you start getting into mountain goat territory.
Don't let weight be a huge hangup - at the top of the last climb at Walla-Walla I made the selection and there were a couple guys around 170... they had muscles and worked the w/kg equation from the other side... they did pretty well too.
#110
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Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it was insane for everyone, but insane for me.
#111
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+1. I can spew low-weight praises all day long. But this all went out the window during my races this year as I watched riders that were EASILY pushing 2.5-2.7 lbs/inch pass me by. I need a serious engine upgrade to push my skinny carcass around. :|
#112
I can't even count the number of times that other riders I've just met have asked how much I weigh. I know they are well meaning but it gets old. They all are fantasizing about making the power they make now at 160 or whatver and weighing what I weigh. But it doesn't work that way for normal people. It certainly doesn't for me. I'm light but I have small lungs, a mediocre v02max and no fast twitch muscles to speak of. But since I'm 6' tall I have plenty of wind resistance. Headwinds stop me dead. I have plenty of will power, so I'd gladly trade a weight problem for 30 watts more @ ftp.
#114
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From: Deschutes
But being under 2lbs/in doesn't mean you would be a world-class climber. If it did I'd be kicking old phart ass all over California: I'm 6' and 140 lbs... 138 a couple weeks ago.
I can't even count the number of times that other riders I've just met have asked how much I weigh. I know they are well meaning but it gets old. They all are fantasizing about making the power they make now at 160 or whatver and weighing what I weigh. But it doesn't work that way for normal people. It certainly doesn't for me. I'm light but I have small lungs, a mediocre v02max and no fast twitch muscles to speak of. But since I'm 6' tall I have plenty of wind resistance. Headwinds stop me dead. I have plenty of will power, so I'd gladly trade a weight problem for 30 watts more @ ftp.
I can't even count the number of times that other riders I've just met have asked how much I weigh. I know they are well meaning but it gets old. They all are fantasizing about making the power they make now at 160 or whatver and weighing what I weigh. But it doesn't work that way for normal people. It certainly doesn't for me. I'm light but I have small lungs, a mediocre v02max and no fast twitch muscles to speak of. But since I'm 6' tall I have plenty of wind resistance. Headwinds stop me dead. I have plenty of will power, so I'd gladly trade a weight problem for 30 watts more @ ftp.
a strong engine kicks the heck out of an light, underpowered engine... even when there is climbing (to say nothing of the other 85% of races)
I read a book that changed the whole way I think about weight.vs.performance - I highly, highly recommend it to anyone & everyone in this thread.
Racing Weight you should all go read it, seriously.
#115
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no worries - i didn't take it that way. I spent a lot of this last season working to be as light as I could be... and at some cost to my engine... now I know (at least a bit) better.
yep - it happens.
a strong engine kicks the heck out of an light, underpowered engine... even when there is climbing (to say nothing of the other 85% of races)
I read a book that changed the whole way I think about weight.vs.performance - I highly, highly recommend it to anyone & everyone in this thread.
Racing Weight you should all go read it, seriously.
yep - it happens.
a strong engine kicks the heck out of an light, underpowered engine... even when there is climbing (to say nothing of the other 85% of races)
I read a book that changed the whole way I think about weight.vs.performance - I highly, highly recommend it to anyone & everyone in this thread.
Racing Weight you should all go read it, seriously.
#116
At the anaerobic end, raw power can easily overcome the weight.
However, as I have this coming up:
https://www.cyclingprofiles.com.au/ma..._TB-Stage3.swf
- a climb comparable to many European ones apparently I need to maximise my W/kg.
#117
fuggitivo solitario

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From: Northern NJ
post doc brought in a few slices of cheesecake. I demurred at first, but caved and ate one small slice so i won't get called out. Oh well. I was actually antisocial over it yesterday as it was his wife's bday, and I came up with a not so nice excuse of i'm on a diet and can't go. Rather rude of me, come to think of it in retrospect.
#119
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From: Deschutes
I have a copy right here on my desk, actually. And I agree, it changed the way I think about my diet. But from the other perspective: to get leaner. I used to think that to get leaner I needed to cut out as much fat as possible. Now, I've actually increased the fat in my diet and have lost weight.
Example: there was a while when I was running a ton (40 mile weeks, 15-18 mile "long" runs weekly) that my diet was incredibly "fat heavy". It was a bit of a strange answer to the dietary question of the moment, but it worked out great.
as an opener into a rather large metal container of non-arthropod invertebrates, "Fat gets a terribly inaccurate reputation in the modern american mind."
#120
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From: Deschutes
post doc brought in a few slices of cheesecake. I demurred at first, but caved and ate one small slice so i won't get called out. Oh well. I was actually antisocial over it yesterday as it was his wife's bday, and I came up with a not so nice excuse of i'm on a diet and can't go. Rather rude of me, come to think of it in retrospect.
Sometimes I'll eat a very small amount, but generally I say that "I just don't eat sweets". My friends and co-workers know that I simply don't, and they don't hassle me about it too much... that said, it has to be a hard and fast rule or it becomes socially messy... so I choose to not eat them (or drink alcohol) for a large part of the year. I understand the situation, sorry :-(
#121
fuggitivo solitario

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this is tough - and I haven't found a good way to get around it.
Sometimes I'll eat a very small amount, but generally I say that "I just don't eat sweets". My friends and co-workers know that I simply don't, and they don't hassle me about it too much... that said, it has to be a hard and fast rule or it becomes socially messy... so I choose to not eat them (or drink alcohol) for a large part of the year. I understand the situation, sorry :-(
Sometimes I'll eat a very small amount, but generally I say that "I just don't eat sweets". My friends and co-workers know that I simply don't, and they don't hassle me about it too much... that said, it has to be a hard and fast rule or it becomes socially messy... so I choose to not eat them (or drink alcohol) for a large part of the year. I understand the situation, sorry :-(
#122
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From: The illadelph
I used to weigh 135 at 5'10. Raced at 138-142. Sucked.
After my crash, I couldn't get below 145 no matter how hard I tried. I stopped looking at weight. Weight went up to 148-150, threshold and sprint increased substantially.
I think the take home is that if you're in your first few seasons of racing, you should let your body do what it wants to before you start to think that you need to get skinny. I mean, if you're way off the mark then cut down a little bit, but if you're thin and thinking of going thinner, then you should really let your body decide what it wants to do. Eat when you're hungry, but eat healthy. See where it takes you.
Also, this is where power comes in real handy as you can track how you're doing in response to weight changes. If your weight is going up but so is power, fine. If your weight is jumping up and your power isn't then reevaluate. etc etc.
After my crash, I couldn't get below 145 no matter how hard I tried. I stopped looking at weight. Weight went up to 148-150, threshold and sprint increased substantially.
I think the take home is that if you're in your first few seasons of racing, you should let your body do what it wants to before you start to think that you need to get skinny. I mean, if you're way off the mark then cut down a little bit, but if you're thin and thinking of going thinner, then you should really let your body decide what it wants to do. Eat when you're hungry, but eat healthy. See where it takes you.
Also, this is where power comes in real handy as you can track how you're doing in response to weight changes. If your weight is going up but so is power, fine. If your weight is jumping up and your power isn't then reevaluate. etc etc.
#123
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I've been thinking I need to publicly 'out' my weight loss goals..but I have to do it where my wife can't see. She's threatened to divorce me if I get down to skinny bike racer status. I'm 5'9, 185ish currently; I think my stretch goal is 170 and that would be pretty damn lean -- probably not sustainable for me. I could probably maintain 175 if I'm careful.
Heh..my goal weight would bring me to 2.5 lbs/inch..
Heh..my goal weight would bring me to 2.5 lbs/inch..
#124
no worries - i didn't take it that way. I spent a lot of this last season working to be as light as I could be... and at some cost to my engine... now I know (at least a bit) better.
yep - it happens.
a strong engine kicks the heck out of an light, underpowered engine... even when there is climbing (to say nothing of the other 85% of races)
I read a book that changed the whole way I think about weight.vs.performance - I highly, highly recommend it to anyone & everyone in this thread.
Racing Weight you should all go read it, seriously.
yep - it happens.
a strong engine kicks the heck out of an light, underpowered engine... even when there is climbing (to say nothing of the other 85% of races)
I read a book that changed the whole way I think about weight.vs.performance - I highly, highly recommend it to anyone & everyone in this thread.
Racing Weight you should all go read it, seriously.
The Rider
Tim Krabbe
The Cyclist's Training Bible
Joe Friel
Racing Weight: How to Get Lean for Peak Performance
Matt Fitzgerald
should be here in 10 days or something...
#125
I've been thinking I need to publicly 'out' my weight loss goals..but I have to do it where my wife can't see. She's threatened to divorce me if I get down to skinny bike racer status. I'm 5'9, 185ish currently; I think my stretch goal is 170 and that would be pretty damn lean -- probably not sustainable for me. I could probably maintain 175 if I'm careful.
Heh..my goal weight would bring me to 2.5 lbs/inch..
Heh..my goal weight would bring me to 2.5 lbs/inch..
FWIW, my goal weight puts me at 2.66 lbs/inch
;-)
I was 3.24lbs/inch 9-10 months ago (not such a good climbers physique)!



