A call to value conscious hipsters
11-06-07, 09:57 AM
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A call to value conscious hipsters
Please go over to the road forum and chime in on the bikesdirect thread. They are proposing to offer some new product lines. It seems that they might be able to sell Reynolds 853 road frames for 400$. If they can do a road frame for 400$ why not convince them to offer a track frame of that tubing?
11-06-07, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bikesdirect
8 - Ti cyclo cross bike with Ultegra or and lots of Ritchey Pro stuff -- $1500 (no disc brakes - so its legal)
11-06-07, 11:04 AM
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I chimed in with 3 requests only to visit thier site and find they already sell two of them. That Motobecane SS 29er looks pretty slick.
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11-06-07, 11:15 AM
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It has already been decided. The carbon-fibre frames are made by Kestrel, which was recently bought by Fuji. Sounds like a good deal but wow, an 853 track frame would rule.
Originally Posted by bikesdirect.com
Items I can do:
Famous Brand CF frameset in RED for $648 {list 1899} or this frame built up with really nice parts; WCS cockpit & wheels; Ultegra shifters/der, FSA SLK carbon compact crank for $1748. [probably ships Feb 08]
Famous Brand CF frameset in ORANGE for $848 {list $2199} or this frame built up with really nice parts; WCS cockpit & wheels; Ultegra shifters/der, FSA SLK carbon compact crank for $1948. [probably ships Feb 08]
Motobecane FLY TEAM Ti for $1998 [this is the most insane deal on a XTR level Ti bike ever] [probably ships April 08]
Motobecane le Champion Ti Road with Ultegra Shifter, Der, Ritchey Pro cockpit & DS wheels; cane creek brakes, and FSA engery compact for $1498 [probably ships April/May 08]
Motobecane le Champion SL Ti Road with Ultegra SL ICE group {shift,der,crank, brakes], Ritchey WCS cockpit & procotol wheels; for $1898 [probably ships April/May 08]
Motobecane le Champion SL Team Ti Road with DuraAce group {shift,der,crank, brakes], Ritchey WCS cockpit & procotol wheels; for $2298 [probably ships April/May 08]
Vuelta CF Moncoq Clincher wheels 38mm -- $568 [either campy or shimano - I will bring both] [probably ships April 08]
Vuelta CF Moncoq Tabular wheels 50mm -- $418 [either campy or shimano - I will bring both] [probably ships April 08]
that is 10 things to pick from
and I think it is a good selection
Famous Brand CF frameset in RED for $648 {list 1899} or this frame built up with really nice parts; WCS cockpit & wheels; Ultegra shifters/der, FSA SLK carbon compact crank for $1748. [probably ships Feb 08]
Famous Brand CF frameset in ORANGE for $848 {list $2199} or this frame built up with really nice parts; WCS cockpit & wheels; Ultegra shifters/der, FSA SLK carbon compact crank for $1948. [probably ships Feb 08]
Motobecane FLY TEAM Ti for $1998 [this is the most insane deal on a XTR level Ti bike ever] [probably ships April 08]
Motobecane le Champion Ti Road with Ultegra Shifter, Der, Ritchey Pro cockpit & DS wheels; cane creek brakes, and FSA engery compact for $1498 [probably ships April/May 08]
Motobecane le Champion SL Ti Road with Ultegra SL ICE group {shift,der,crank, brakes], Ritchey WCS cockpit & procotol wheels; for $1898 [probably ships April/May 08]
Motobecane le Champion SL Team Ti Road with DuraAce group {shift,der,crank, brakes], Ritchey WCS cockpit & procotol wheels; for $2298 [probably ships April/May 08]
Vuelta CF Moncoq Clincher wheels 38mm -- $568 [either campy or shimano - I will bring both] [probably ships April 08]
Vuelta CF Moncoq Tabular wheels 50mm -- $418 [either campy or shimano - I will bring both] [probably ships April 08]
that is 10 things to pick from
and I think it is a good selection
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Yeah, their current product offering is pretty impressive. I was disappointed after buying a used 'cross bike, only to find that I could have got a basically equivalent or better frame from Bikes Direct for the same cost.
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Motobecane FLY TEAM Ti for $1998 [this is the most insane deal on a XTR level Ti bike ever] [probably ships April 08]
Good Jesus. I love bikesdirect.
I promise this is the last time I post about a non-track frame on this thread.
Good Jesus. I love bikesdirect.
I promise this is the last time I post about a non-track frame on this thread.
11-06-07, 11:24 AM
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i don't get the "no disc brakes so it's legal" comment on the ti cross bike.
i mean, you can still put the mounts on there. it adds a lot of functionality and costs a few bucks and a few grams extra. plus disc brakes are legal in most u.s. cross races.
i mean, you can still put the mounts on there. it adds a lot of functionality and costs a few bucks and a few grams extra. plus disc brakes are legal in most u.s. cross races.
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singlespeed bikes are already cheap
give me groups and frames for the price of groups or give me nothing
singlespeed bikes are already cheap
give me groups and frames for the price of groups or give me nothing
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I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.
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Also, this sounds like I should start saving:
Motobecane le Champion Ti Road with Ultegra Shifter, Der, Ritchey Pro cockpit & DS wheels; cane creek brakes, and FSA engery compact for $1498 [probably ships April/May 08]
Motobecane le Champion Ti Road with Ultegra Shifter, Der, Ritchey Pro cockpit & DS wheels; cane creek brakes, and FSA engery compact for $1498 [probably ships April/May 08]
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I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.
as an avg bikes direct track bike buyer, i disagree. i would love an 853 track frame from bd.
11-06-07, 12:49 PM
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I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.
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For the record, in that thread lugs have been discussed and he's said he'd be amenable to a high quality (853 or 631) lugged frame, but it would add 200 to the price of a complete bike; I'd imagine that would go for a track frame too.
Hope springs eternal though. I'm crossing my fingers for the ti road bike myself.
Hope springs eternal though. I'm crossing my fingers for the ti road bike myself.
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OK
From what I can tell; I maybe getting a free drink
AND lots of people want higher grade track frame
some want lugged
Can I ask
is it OK to go with function over fashion?
tig welded is just as functional as lugs [many say better] but lugs look great
Price of lugs is a lot
let'sd put it this way
853 tigged is cheaper than lugged 520
so - given that
what would be the choice
top of the line 853 tig
nice 520 with lugs
or something else?
[btw - 853 with lugs costs more than carbon fiber - and almost as much as Ti]
seems I should really do the higher grade track
now the question is which frame
btw #2 - light stiff aluminum is less than 520 even - not expensive at all
here I am open to ideas
and drinks [LOL}
From what I can tell; I maybe getting a free drink
AND lots of people want higher grade track frame
some want lugged
Can I ask
is it OK to go with function over fashion?
tig welded is just as functional as lugs [many say better] but lugs look great
Price of lugs is a lot
let'sd put it this way
853 tigged is cheaper than lugged 520
so - given that
what would be the choice
top of the line 853 tig
nice 520 with lugs
or something else?
[btw - 853 with lugs costs more than carbon fiber - and almost as much as Ti]
seems I should really do the higher grade track
now the question is which frame
btw #2 - light stiff aluminum is less than 520 even - not expensive at all
here I am open to ideas
and drinks [LOL}
11-06-07, 02:51 PM
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Aluminum is definitely the cheapest, lightest and most pragmatic, but since I think very few people intend to races these bikes anywhere other than the local alleycat, I don't think it'd be as popular.
I still think that lugged CroMo would win out over 853, for the type of buyer you're seeing (unless we're talking about a group buy). I'd really love to be wrong about this.
What kind of price are we talking, anyway?
I still think that lugged CroMo would win out over 853, for the type of buyer you're seeing (unless we're talking about a group buy). I'd really love to be wrong about this.
What kind of price are we talking, anyway?
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