Originally Posted by bonechilling

I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.