Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

6 speed fussy about chain width

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

6 speed fussy about chain width

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-17-10, 11:25 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
badger_biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Rural Western Wisconsin
Posts: 1,506

Bikes: 10 vintage touring machines

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 112 Post(s)
Liked 126 Times in 66 Posts
6 speed fussy about chain width

I've recently had a couple problems with 6 speed rear set ups not shifting well that has me questioning the proper chain width for them.

One is my Bridgestone 400 that has Suntour Accushift with barcons. I used to run a Sram PC58 on it with no problems. The chain is worn and when I went to replace my LBS said to use a Sram 830 or 850 chain. He said 7/8 speed but the Sram website says 8/9 speed. The narrower chain does not work well and I resorted to an old wider one to avoid endless chatter in the rear because it just wouldn't adjust.

My other issue is with a 6 speed friction Zebrakenko with a SuperMaxy crank. The chain tends to hang between the large and small chain rings and slips. I'm assuming something wider will work better.

Bottom line - what do you folks use as replacement chains for 6 speed bikes? I've tried Nashbar in the past but their master links are a joke and don't hold.

Any suggestions for a good source or brand/model?
Thanks!
__________________
Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride - JFK
badger_biker is offline  
Old 06-17-10, 12:25 PM
  #2  
feros ferio
 
John E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 21,798

Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;

Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1393 Post(s)
Liked 1,325 Times in 837 Posts
1) Use Nashbar w/o the masterlink, as I do w/ SRAM.
2) If your SuperMaxy crank mounts the inner chainring to an integral spider/outer, replace the spacers with slightly narrower ones.
3) I have heard of 7-8 speed chains, which also work well with ultra-6 and most "standard" 5- and 6-speed rigs, and I have heard of 9-speed chains, but never 8/9.
4) Are your cogs and/or your derailleur pulleys worn? This could be the source of your chatter.
5) I use SRAM PC-58s on all of my standard-6 and ultra-6/7 freewheels without problems, although I can make the chains skate over the teeth of both Regina standard-6 and (ultra)-7 freewheels. This may be a function fo the 2-tooth progressions I tend to favor (13-15-17-19-21-23 and 13-15-17-19-21-24-28).
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline  
Old 06-17-10, 01:01 PM
  #3  
)) <> ((
 
illwafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,409
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by John E
1) Use Nashbar w/o the masterlink, as I do w/ SRAM.
John, are you saying you use something like a PC-971 and just use the pins instead of the masterlink to join the chain? those sram chains are noisy and clunky due to those crappy masterlinks, and i've been considering just removing it.
illwafer is offline  
Old 06-17-10, 01:27 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
ldmataya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Mt. Horeb, Wisconsin
Posts: 535
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 43 Times in 28 Posts
I use a SRAM pc-41 with a powerlink on my 5 speed freewheels, but I'm not sure that is available anymore. I think that was supposed to be a 7 speed era chain, and it shifts wonderfully on my Bottecchia Giro d'Italia.
ldmataya is offline  
Old 06-17-10, 01:40 PM
  #5  
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,513

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2422 Post(s)
Liked 4,395 Times in 2,092 Posts
I don't follow your explanation. Is the Bridgestone's issues at the rear freewheel, while the Zebrakenko's issue is chainskate at the crankset? What freewheel is on the Bridgestone at present?

I'd recommend a 1980's Shimano UG (impossible to find) or a modern 5/6-speed TAYA (look for a Bell-branded geared chain - claiming 7-speed compatibility - with bulged side plates; it is generally available at Wal-Fart) for the Zebrakenko. I don't know enough about the Bridgestone's issue yet to make a recommendation.

-Kurt
__________________












cudak888 is offline  
Old 06-17-10, 02:05 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Glennfordx4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 1,959

Bikes: Too many Bicycles to list

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 90 Post(s)
Liked 137 Times in 45 Posts
I got a deal on Shimano HG-50 116 link chains ( $4.00 ea) and use them on most of my 5-7 speeds without issues no matter the drive train.
Glennfordx4 is offline  
Old 06-17-10, 02:40 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
badger_biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Rural Western Wisconsin
Posts: 1,506

Bikes: 10 vintage touring machines

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 112 Post(s)
Liked 126 Times in 66 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak888
I don't follow your explanation. Is the Bridgestone's issues at the rear freewheel, while the Zebrakenko's issue is chainskate at the crankset? What freewheel is on the Bridgestone at present?
Yes the Bridgestone is in the rear and it seems like the indexed movement of the shifter/derailleur isn't enough to make clean shifts either up or down. I've adjusted the cable barrel but couldn't seem to make it happy. I'll double check the freewheel but I know it has Shimano 105 hubs so I'd bet it is a Shimano. I know it could be a freewheel spacing issue but I'm happily running a similar Suntour barcon/derailleur and Shimano cassette on my Expedition and it shifts like a dream. The change to a wider chain on the Bridgestone last night did make a huge improvement. I just didn't know where to find new ones any more.

The Zebra is in the front only and probably relates to a combo of narrow and worn chain and the spacers as John E mentioned.

I'll look for the Bell chain at the big box and give that a try on the Zebra which is a flipper- thanks for the tip on the source. Probably one of the last places I would have thought to look.

BTW it does seem like the Sram PC 870 is the successor for the old PC58 I used to use. That may be an option for the Bridgestone which I plan to keep.

Thanks for the info and help.
__________________
Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride - JFK
badger_biker is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sd5782
Bicycle Mechanics
9
02-11-19 01:40 PM
CanadianBiker32
Bicycle Mechanics
7
08-22-16 11:23 AM
DOS
Bicycle Mechanics
3
04-14-14 09:21 PM
jks84
Bicycle Mechanics
9
02-04-12 04:02 AM
sillygolem
Bicycle Mechanics
4
07-20-11 01:40 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.