"The Angry Singlespeeder" Rant about whiner of bike costs...
07-07-15, 12:03 PM
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But, then again, one might argue about the definition of a MTB.
Yeah, I do think a lot is overpriced today, but there is also a night and day difference between a $200 and a $5000 bike, whether it is in the road bike world or MTB world. And there is a vibrant used bike market.
And, I do know the work involved in building a wheel from a pile of parts.
Perhaps the computer analogy is good. In many senses computers have come down in price since I bought my underpowered Apple 2e (with 32k of memory). But, each year a more powerful computer comes out at about the same price as the predecessor.
In the bike world... perhaps as new items are introduced, they become more expensive while the old items maintain their cost.
I bought my old Colnago Super over 30 years ago for a bit under $300 (used at the time). I'm not quite sure what the new price would have been.
Tires have been about $20 each.
I can still buy something like Kenda or Panaracer tires for about $20.
But, if I want a bit more flat protection and otherwise higher quality... I'm at $50 to $80 each.
With the frame... hmmm... Anyway, I can buy a cheap GMC Denali class bike for pretty cheap. And in some senses, it may not be too far behind my ancient Colnago.
But, to get all the modern bells and whistles... it will cost a pretty penny.
How different are the "modern" Dept Store MTBs from the old (very expensive) mid-1980's model Rock Hoppers and Stump Jumpers?
07-07-15, 12:35 PM
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I guess if you consider a department store bike an actual mountain bike, the common cost of one would be $200. But Kindofslow is talking about modern full suspension mtb that could actually be ridden off road with the confidence of it not folding in half under a dropoff or something.
07-07-15, 12:41 PM
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I guess if you consider a department store bike an actual mountain bike, the common cost of one would be $200. But Kindofslow is talking about modern full suspension mtb that could actually be ridden off road with the confidence of it not folding in half under a dropoff or something.
07-07-15, 01:48 PM
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I am not putting anyone in an "irresponsible spender group". I not only don't care how much someone spends on bikes (or much of anything else).... I can't see where it matters.
I am happy you're having a good time cycling! So am I. Sounds to me like whatever we're spending.... we are doing it right!
I am happy you're having a good time cycling! So am I. Sounds to me like whatever we're spending.... we are doing it right!
07-07-15, 01:50 PM
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I guess if you consider a department store bike an actual mountain bike, the common cost of one would be $200. But Kindofslow is talking about modern full suspension mtb that could actually be ridden off road with the confidence of it not folding in half under a dropoff or something.
Many of those are hitting the market at about $200 now. But....
It isn't too bad if the top of the line bikes went up from $1500 to $3000+ in 20 years. And are much more advanced now.
Again... with the computer analogy, the price stays stable while the quality goes up.
With the bikes, if you keep the quality stable, the the price is relatively stable, but one is buying higher quality bikes now (at premium costs).
No doubt, the manufactures also manipulate the prices... charging what they believe people are willing to pay.
And not everyone wants to push a 30 year old rock hopper up the hills.
07-07-15, 01:51 PM
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I am not putting anyone in an "irresponsible spender group". I not only don't care how much someone spends on bikes (or much of anything else).... I can't see where it matters.
I am happy you're having a good time cycling! So am I. Sounds to me like whatever we're spending.... we are doing it right!
I am happy you're having a good time cycling! So am I. Sounds to me like whatever we're spending.... we are doing it right!
07-07-15, 02:07 PM
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I saw a picture of the 2016 CAAD 12 on line the other day. Not the right bike for me... way too aggressive for my old body. But so darn pretty. It's been hard to stay out of the local Cannondale bike shop.
07-07-15, 02:49 PM
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Cannondale could have fired all their engineers made the CAAD 10 from now until the end of eternity. Pretty soon the market would have been saturated with new and used CAAD 10s.
Instead they engineered a new bike. Engineered new processing equipment, and came out with a new model.
And it all costed more money which is passed onto consumers.
The cost of not modernizing.
Every major bicycle manufacture from before the 1960's that did not invest in R&D and modernize in the 1980's PERISHED.
07-07-15, 04:13 PM
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Cool: Spending 4k on a bike and riding the rims off it.
Un-cool: Spending 4k on a bike and crapping on everyone else who can't/won't just to get a rise out of people.
Un-cool: Spending 4k on a bike and crapping on everyone else who can't/won't just to get a rise out of people.
07-07-15, 04:28 PM
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07-07-15, 04:40 PM
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07-07-15, 07:07 PM
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I have two favorite bikes that I ride, my Langster and my Epic Expert WC. The new brakes for my Epic cost more than the Langster originally cost. Fun can be had at a lot of different price levels. And, the Langster might just outlast the Epic. But, for something like XC MTBing, the Epic is much more enjoyable to me than the less expensive MTBs I have owned, actually, for my riding I have never ridden a MTB as enjoyable. My issue is folks making silly and baseless comments about expensive bikes and their owners. Enjoy what you have!!!
07-07-15, 07:12 PM
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plenty are over 10k too, pretty sure theyre more expensive than road bikes these days
i get where the dudes coming from, but him *****ing about people *****ing is just one big circlejerk. this world is full of complainers, go ride your bike and stop worrying so much about what other people are doing.
i get where the dudes coming from, but him *****ing about people *****ing is just one big circlejerk. this world is full of complainers, go ride your bike and stop worrying so much about what other people are doing.
07-07-15, 07:32 PM
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I went from a $750 mountain bike to a $2100 mountain bike, it was like night and day. Mostly due to the fact that I went from a Specialized Hardrock hardtail to a legit full suspension Specialized Stumpjumper. The components were far better once I made the jump to the more expensive bike. Brakes to shifters all the way to the wheels. You would be able to tell the difference. Now, on a single speed, maybe you would. The frame would be nicer and the cranks, etc. but you probably wouldn't notice that huge of a difference. The shops here cater to everyone, from those on a budget to those whose credit card doesn't have a limit. $350 Treks to $8k Cervelo's.
And to some of us, spending that much on a bike is the norm. I currently have about $4k worth of bikes sitting in the living room of my apartment. Some people spend less than that on a car for their entire life. Some spend more than that on just a frame. It all boils down to what you want and need.
I look at it like this, life is far too short to ride a crappy bike.
And to some of us, spending that much on a bike is the norm. I currently have about $4k worth of bikes sitting in the living room of my apartment. Some people spend less than that on a car for their entire life. Some spend more than that on just a frame. It all boils down to what you want and need.
I look at it like this, life is far too short to ride a crappy bike.
07-07-15, 09:43 PM
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that Fedex meme is clutch.
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07-07-15, 11:35 PM
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I like buying nice things. I wasn't raised with much- actually, when I was a child I got my clothes out of a donation box from the shelter that I lived in. now that I've got money to spend, I've probably tried to make up for the things I never had. I've worked every day of my life for what I have today. it's a good feeling- for me anyway- to be able to buy nice things for myself and people that I care about. that being said...whether you've got a $50 bike or a $12,000 bike ride it. enjoy it. don't take it for granted. people would laugh at the amount of money my bikes are worth. and that's ok. they're my passion and if you're gonna judge me for how much something cost ME....that's pretty sad.
07-08-15, 09:47 AM
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He's whining about people whining.
edit: nevermind, already been said, while I was busy reading the article. Doh!
edit: nevermind, already been said, while I was busy reading the article. Doh!
07-08-15, 09:54 AM
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Whining versus complaining versus justified critique....
is is it anything like the difference between a **** and a skank, the make-up....?
and, to my surprise, that first word is edited out by the computer gods???
is is it anything like the difference between a **** and a skank, the make-up....?
and, to my surprise, that first word is edited out by the computer gods???
Last edited by Kindaslow; 07-08-15 at 09:55 AM. Reason: surprise
07-08-15, 09:57 AM
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Maybe not, but I was referring to the "Angry Singlespeeder", who was whining about other people whining. Dudes a ******. I honestly couldn't care less what he says about anything.
