700 vs 26 inch tires
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This board has been really helpful and I appreciate everyone's willingness to help and share your years of tandem expertise. While digging through the archives I found this link from TandemGeek.
https://www.precisiontandems.com/artdwanwheelsize.htm
https://www.precisiontandems.com/artdwanwheelsize.htm
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OP: I have quite a few tandems and singles and the split is about 50/50 between 26" and 700C with a few 27" and a few 650B's thrown in for good measure. Of all the variables possible for wheels/tires, the wheel diameter is probably the least important. It is all about the tires!
Hope that helps
/K
Hope that helps
/K
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The work by the Bicycling Quarterly crew, which is affiliated with Compass Bicycles, shows that for a given tire wider is indeed faster. My experience is that the Compass 26 X 1.5" tires had MUCH less rolling resistance than the Fat Boys. We have a few places on our regular routes where after cresting a hill we roll without pedalling downhill into a flat spot before either approaching an intersection or another descent and the difference is quite noticeable. With the Compass tires, we don't pedal on those stretches and maintain our desired speed. With the Fat Boys we have to pedal to maintain that speed. The 26 X 1.75" had even less rolling resistance.
More comfort, better handling, lower rolling resistance: what's not to like about fatter? Okay, they are a bit heavier, so you may notice that. The market for truly lightweight 26" tires just isn't big enough for the Compass folks to pay for the molds to make them (yet). But there wasn't much of a market for 650B when they started pushing them either, so I have hope.
More comfort, better handling, lower rolling resistance: what's not to like about fatter? Okay, they are a bit heavier, so you may notice that. The market for truly lightweight 26" tires just isn't big enough for the Compass folks to pay for the molds to make them (yet). But there wasn't much of a market for 650B when they started pushing them either, so I have hope.
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OOPS hit the wrong key. Jan specs Panasonic's best racing casing material and rubber compound giving the tire a very supple casing, making them superior to an actual Pacela. Well worth the difference in price.
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Junk like what Dwan wrote in that link are part of why I didn't purchase a Co-Mo when I bought my last tandem, even though I live in the same town where they are made. He more than doubled the actual diameter difference between quality 26" tires and what most people ride for 700C. Also, I guess he's never ridden with people who have custom tandems built with 26" tires to accommodate short-torso captains (less toe overlap) if he thinks they are somehow inherently slower than 700C. My wife and I have completed double centuries in 9 hours on 26" tires and have known others who were an hour ahead of us, also on 26".
using extreme tire widths for comparison, i.e. 26x1.5 vs 700x44, you get about 9% lower gearing with the 26ers.
That's the difference between an 11 cog and a 12 cog. So, if the smaller wheels are getting left behind on the group ride, then the bigger wheels are motoring along in their highest gear all the time. They must only do tandem group rides when they get a few days off from their Pro Tour commitments.
Edit: 12% difference. Not 9% so, a cog and half...
Another thing. You'll spend more actual time climbing than descending if you have hills, so then that one higher gear is surely irrelevant.
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The work by the Bicycling Quarterly crew, which is affiliated with Compass Bicycles, shows that for a given tire wider is indeed faster. My experience is that the Compass 26 X 1.5" tires had MUCH less rolling resistance than the Fat Boys. We have a few places on our regular routes where after cresting a hill we roll without pedalling downhill into a flat spot before either approaching an intersection or another descent and the difference is quite noticeable. With the Compass tires, we don't pedal on those stretches and maintain our desired speed. With the Fat Boys we have to pedal to maintain that speed. The 26 X 1.75" had even less rolling resistance.
More comfort, better handling, lower rolling resistance: what's not to like about fatter? Okay, they are a bit heavier, so you may notice that. The market for truly lightweight 26" tires just isn't big enough for the Compass folks to pay for the molds to make them (yet). But there wasn't much of a market for 650B when they started pushing them either, so I have hope.
More comfort, better handling, lower rolling resistance: what's not to like about fatter? Okay, they are a bit heavier, so you may notice that. The market for truly lightweight 26" tires just isn't big enough for the Compass folks to pay for the molds to make them (yet). But there wasn't much of a market for 650B when they started pushing them either, so I have hope.
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So, it's nice to have a few low gears.
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Same with us on the Davinci. Ordered it with the Campy group so that we would have 4 chainrings along with the lowest gearing possible on our rear cassette. With the hills around here, I need all the help I can get!