Best Cantis for < $100/set
02-06-16, 10:04 AM
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Hi all,
Without breaking the bank, I'm looking to finally upgrade the Tektro Oryxes (Oryces?) that came stock on my Surly CrossCheck. I have the thing set up basically as a road bike, but because of the way the frame is built, I have to stick with cantis.
I'm checking out a few pairs, all of which have good reviews, but I'm unable to decide. Flip-flopping btw Avid Shorty Ultimates, Paul Components Touring cantis (not the ones that lie flat), and Shimano CX-70s.
My biggest goal would be to have the following, in no particular order: power; ease of adjustment; little-to-no required readjustment; cartridge-style pads. I'm slightly concerned that the Paul and Shimano sets might be less effective, since they don't appear to have threaded posts that allow for toe-in adjustment.
I don't think it matters, but just in case, I have SRAM Rival brifters.
Any thoughts or other ideas are welcome. Thanks!
Without breaking the bank, I'm looking to finally upgrade the Tektro Oryxes (Oryces?) that came stock on my Surly CrossCheck. I have the thing set up basically as a road bike, but because of the way the frame is built, I have to stick with cantis.
I'm checking out a few pairs, all of which have good reviews, but I'm unable to decide. Flip-flopping btw Avid Shorty Ultimates, Paul Components Touring cantis (not the ones that lie flat), and Shimano CX-70s.
My biggest goal would be to have the following, in no particular order: power; ease of adjustment; little-to-no required readjustment; cartridge-style pads. I'm slightly concerned that the Paul and Shimano sets might be less effective, since they don't appear to have threaded posts that allow for toe-in adjustment.
I don't think it matters, but just in case, I have SRAM Rival brifters.
Any thoughts or other ideas are welcome. Thanks!
I currently have them on 3 bikes and have never had a problem with them. I highly recommend them. I would also suggest getting the Paul's Moon Unit cable carrier as well. As good as the Paul's are, the Moon Unit improves their responsiveness.
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02-06-16, 10:10 AM
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That's the price for the MiniMotos. Those aren't "cantilever" brakes per say. The Paul Touring cantilevers are $113 direct from Paul...even in fancy colors. The black and silver ones are available from a variety of places for around $80 per wheel.
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02-06-16, 12:24 PM
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cant have more MA demand from the brakes than a road brake lever (Sram brifters ) provides
So you either use a different shifter, and V/long pull levers or a shorter arm brake caliper..
Which is pretty much what your (OP) Surly Came with.. https://www.tektro.com/_english/01_pr...e&sort=1&fid=2
Put on Better Brake Pads . Kool Stop.
Shimano CX 70 is just a different brand offering a similar leverage.
FWIW, Tektro makes a Mini V 90mm arm so it works with road Levers .
https://www.tektro.com/_english/01_pr...s&sort=2&fid=3
So you either use a different shifter, and V/long pull levers or a shorter arm brake caliper..
Which is pretty much what your (OP) Surly Came with.. https://www.tektro.com/_english/01_pr...e&sort=1&fid=2
Put on Better Brake Pads . Kool Stop.
Shimano CX 70 is just a different brand offering a similar leverage.
FWIW, Tektro makes a Mini V 90mm arm so it works with road Levers .
https://www.tektro.com/_english/01_pr...s&sort=2&fid=3
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02-06-16, 03:07 PM
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I use IRD cantilevers. Not sure what model. They're chrome, they've worked for 16 years so far and they're less than $100.
If I was going to replace them, I'd either get Pauls or find NOS Shimano Deerheads on ebay.
If I was going to replace them, I'd either get Pauls or find NOS Shimano Deerheads on ebay.
02-07-16, 09:07 AM
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So unless the Pauls have a completely different MA setup to other canti brakes that are out there, they should work fine.
02-07-16, 09:08 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by the Paul's not having threaded posts nor allowing for toe-in. They use threaded post type brake pads that use orbit washers for toe-in adjustment. They are anything but "less effective". They are about the best cantilever brake I've ever used and I've used a lot of cantilever brakes over the years. They are simple to set-up and simple to adjust for spring tension and spring balance.
I currently have them on 3 bikes and have never had a problem with them. I highly recommend them. I would also suggest getting the Paul's Moon Unit cable carrier as well. As good as the Paul's are, the Moon Unit improves their responsiveness.
I currently have them on 3 bikes and have never had a problem with them. I highly recommend them. I would also suggest getting the Paul's Moon Unit cable carrier as well. As good as the Paul's are, the Moon Unit improves their responsiveness.
02-07-16, 10:42 AM
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Measure: ... a) cable anchor, end of the arm, to where the pad Is.. then, b) pad to pivot .. Its a ratio.
Consider the difference between Mafac Tandem Vs Mafac Criterium , cantilevers .
greater A &, B =, the pad will move to the rim a little less distance but you have a tiny-little more power
shorter A (lower MA) makes for more clearance pad to rim to have the pad hit the rim
in a similar stroke arc, of the hand lever
(muddy cyclocross courses made the Mafac Criterium the brake to have on your race bike)
NB: Sram is the owner of Avid Brand company. .
aero levers have a Higher MA thus a short cable Pull
V has to be the Opposite .
Consider the difference between Mafac Tandem Vs Mafac Criterium , cantilevers .
greater A &, B =, the pad will move to the rim a little less distance but you have a tiny-little more power
shorter A (lower MA) makes for more clearance pad to rim to have the pad hit the rim
in a similar stroke arc, of the hand lever
(muddy cyclocross courses made the Mafac Criterium the brake to have on your race bike)
NB: Sram is the owner of Avid Brand company. .
aero levers have a Higher MA thus a short cable Pull
V has to be the Opposite .
Last edited by fietsbob; 02-07-16 at 10:57 AM.
