How fast is LT Training supposed to work?
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Out of curiosity, how fast does LT training usually start taking affect?
To give you an idea of my progress, there's a climb I do locally 2.2 miles 1000ft, somewhere around 9% grade. A month ago I could climb it but i'd have to stop midway. Then, two-three weeks ago I could climb it but would have to be in 39-26 and alternating between sitting down and standing. Today, I did it in 39-23 sitting the whole way.
Terry, my58vw, anyone who does LT training and climbing, does it sound like I'm on schedule?
Edit: Doh! I just realized this is the wrong forum! Mods, can ya do a penguin a favor and move it to training/nutrition?
To give you an idea of my progress, there's a climb I do locally 2.2 miles 1000ft, somewhere around 9% grade. A month ago I could climb it but i'd have to stop midway. Then, two-three weeks ago I could climb it but would have to be in 39-26 and alternating between sitting down and standing. Today, I did it in 39-23 sitting the whole way.
Terry, my58vw, anyone who does LT training and climbing, does it sound like I'm on schedule?
Edit: Doh! I just realized this is the wrong forum! Mods, can ya do a penguin a favor and move it to training/nutrition?
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Out of curiosity, how fast does LT training usually start taking affect?
To give you an idea of my progress, there's a climb I do locally 2.2 miles 1000ft, somewhere around 9% grade. A month ago I could climb it but i'd have to stop midway. Then, two-three weeks ago I could climb it but would have to be in 39-26 and alternating between sitting down and standing. Today, I did it in 39-23 sitting the whole way.
Terry, my58vw, anyone who does LT training and climbing, does it sound like I'm on schedule?
Edit: Doh! I just realized this is the wrong forum! Mods, can ya do a penguin a favor and move it to training/nutrition?
To give you an idea of my progress, there's a climb I do locally 2.2 miles 1000ft, somewhere around 9% grade. A month ago I could climb it but i'd have to stop midway. Then, two-three weeks ago I could climb it but would have to be in 39-26 and alternating between sitting down and standing. Today, I did it in 39-23 sitting the whole way.
Terry, my58vw, anyone who does LT training and climbing, does it sound like I'm on schedule?
Edit: Doh! I just realized this is the wrong forum! Mods, can ya do a penguin a favor and move it to training/nutrition?
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the part that confuses me is how strength and LT work together. my guess is that your strength increases much faster than your LT level, but i'm having a hard time getting my head around it. i mean, as the original poster indicated, his performance went up pretty rapidly...does that mean he just got stronger, or did his LT level move up as well? or maybe it's just taking him longer to reach his LT level now...but what would slow that down? so many questions....
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
the part that confuses me is how strength and LT work together. my guess is that your strength increases much faster than your LT level, but i'm having a hard time getting my head around it. i mean, as the original poster indicated, his performance went up pretty rapidly...does that mean he just got stronger, or did his LT level move up as well? or maybe it's just taking him longer to reach his LT level now...but what would slow that down? so many questions....
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Originally Posted by Herk_Tuff
Can you recommend a good resource to learn more about Lactate Threshold and V02 Max?
Bicycling Medicine by Arnie Baker, M.D.
The Cylist's Training Bible by Joe Friel
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
The way I understand it, when your muscles gain strength, you can put out more power. But, what governs how long you can maintain that power output is goverened by your Lactic Threshold. The higher your LT, the longer you can maintain a higher power. This probably isn't 100% right, but its how I understand it.
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Originally Posted by skydive69
True, and LT is also a limiting factor for utilizing your VO2max potential. With a high LT, you can operate at a higher VO2max. With a low LT, you are overloaded with lactic acid (read pain), prior to even reaching the potential of your cardio vascular system. Unfortunately, there is no fast path to max LT - it takes years of hard work to reach your potential. Genetics also play an important role in that people like Lance can naturally dissipate lactic acide faster than most, just as he has an incredibly high VO2max. The combination wins the Tour de France - tons of genetic potential, and tons of hard, hard work.
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i think my HRM is a bit high with its feedback, but according to it, i have no problem riding at 90% (180bpm) for long periods of time, but as soon as i go above 190, i burn out and instantly run out of breath. isnt 90 way above the LT?
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Originally Posted by go4broke44
i think my HRM is a bit high with its feedback, but according to it, i have no problem riding at 90% (180bpm) for long periods of time, but as soon as i go above 190, i burn out and instantly run out of breath. isnt 90 way above the LT?
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Yes it is very confusing...
I think of LT theshold (anaerobic threshold) as not pain but the point at where I start feeling the burning assoicated with lactic acid AND start feeling labored breathing. In my case that is at 170 BPM, after that point I start breathing real hard and have an increase in pain.
One thing that is easy to conflict is muscle fatigue vs pain. When I climb a long hill my legs give out but my aerobic system is fine until the end. There is a point though when I have to put more and more effort into the climb because my power is effectivly decreasing and my HR goes up... then I start going "anaerobic".
The prime example was after my LT interval session yesterday. I did 30 minutes (10 x 3) zone 5a (4 beats over LT) intervals around the crit course and the whole time I was breathing quite hard and in intense pain (21 MPH into a 30 MPH headwind up a slight incline, then down the otherside shelted at about 28 - 30 MPH). After the third interval my muscles were fatigued, and I could not muster a major sprint at the end even though my pain level was quite constant. Effectivly I started slowing down because I could not pull the same power as I could at the first interval and I knew it was time to go home. On the way home facing the same 30 MPH wind I had a very hard time going up some 6 percent approximate grade hills on the way back. My aerobic system was fine by my muscles were so fatigued that they could not push anymore.
The cyclist training bible is a very good resourse about all of this...
I think of LT theshold (anaerobic threshold) as not pain but the point at where I start feeling the burning assoicated with lactic acid AND start feeling labored breathing. In my case that is at 170 BPM, after that point I start breathing real hard and have an increase in pain.
One thing that is easy to conflict is muscle fatigue vs pain. When I climb a long hill my legs give out but my aerobic system is fine until the end. There is a point though when I have to put more and more effort into the climb because my power is effectivly decreasing and my HR goes up... then I start going "anaerobic".
The prime example was after my LT interval session yesterday. I did 30 minutes (10 x 3) zone 5a (4 beats over LT) intervals around the crit course and the whole time I was breathing quite hard and in intense pain (21 MPH into a 30 MPH headwind up a slight incline, then down the otherside shelted at about 28 - 30 MPH). After the third interval my muscles were fatigued, and I could not muster a major sprint at the end even though my pain level was quite constant. Effectivly I started slowing down because I could not pull the same power as I could at the first interval and I knew it was time to go home. On the way home facing the same 30 MPH wind I had a very hard time going up some 6 percent approximate grade hills on the way back. My aerobic system was fine by my muscles were so fatigued that they could not push anymore.
The cyclist training bible is a very good resourse about all of this...
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I'm sure my58vw can help you out.
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Originally Posted by Herk_Tuff
Can you recommend a good resource to learn more about Lactate Threshold and V02 Max?
https://home.hia.no/~stephens/timecors.htm
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My58vw and Skydive69, I have a question for yooz guys in this thread ( https://www.bikeforums.net/training-nutrition/107656-training-16-mile-team-time-trial.html )if you would be so kind to assist. Terrymorse, would appreciate your thoughts also if you have the time. TIA.
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Don't feed the trolls ...
Morbius, thanks for posting that article. I had forgotten that I had read it before and I guess i didn't absorb info. Explains the quick increase in my LT, but on the down side it means it wont continue like this forever
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Hope that isn't aimed towards me
Morbius, thanks for posting that article. I had forgotten that I had read it before and I guess i didn't absorb info. Explains the quick increase in my LT, but on the down side it means it wont continue like this forever
Morbius, thanks for posting that article. I had forgotten that I had read it before and I guess i didn't absorb info. Explains the quick increase in my LT, but on the down side it means it wont continue like this forever
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius
The troll comment was meant for a different putz! You may not continue to increase your lactate threshold forever, however, you can increase it for a good number of years. After that there's EPO.