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09-29-05, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Personally, I like dinner-rolls with jam, bananas, pizza, baked-potatos, burritos and fish-tacos on my rides. Still trying to figure out a way to get hot (or at least) warm soup on a ride. Now that the winter season is here, temperatures are going to drop into the 70s, so I'm gonna need some hot meals..
https://www.thermosonline.com/product....htm?id=google
Probably better for broth than a "chunky" soup.
09-29-05, 08:53 PM
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Okay first of all thank you all for the wealth of knowledge i now have about recovery and energy foods. I can see why the gus can be easier under racing conditions, however for someone like me who just is riding for fun and riding only aroun 30 miles on average per ride, they are pointless. I have went the gu way and went with power, or cliff bars for a while and realized that i really care about what is going into my body. So dried fruit is best for me. I also choose driesd fruit because its smaller and easier to pack.
09-30-05, 08:35 AM
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I think we should turn over this thread over to Powerful Pete. Anyone who suggests cheese and prosciuttto sanwiches with olive oil obviously knows more about eating than most people. May I humbly suggest that the cheese be provolone. Don't forget the red wine with dinner after you get home from your ride.
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Originally Posted by jackb
I think we should turn over this thread over to Powerful Pete. Anyone who suggests cheese and prosciuttto sanwiches with olive oil obviously knows more about eating than most people. May I humbly suggest that the cheese be provolone. Don't forget the red wine with dinner after you get home from your ride.
Naw you need some fresh, made 2 hours ago mozzarella
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I stopped at a 7-11 Saturday, 1/2 way thru a metric century and had an ice cream sandwich. 10 times better than Gu.
10-01-05, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by vadenplas
I guess we have a buch of fat old men here huh? Haha
What do you mean? Only fat guys like fruit? LOL
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There is no comparing dried fruit and most commerical energy snacks. Dried fruit does not contain any complex carbohydrate. Anyone riding with intensity would not be able to maintain their energy levels [for very long] with dried fruit.
10-02-05, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Cranium
There is no comparing dried fruit and most commerical energy snacks. Dried fruit does not contain any complex carbohydrate. Anyone riding with intensity would not be able to maintain their energy levels [for very long] with dried fruit.
10-02-05, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Powerful Pete
All this powerbar baloney. 
Long rides:
1. After about an hour/two: 1-2 small sandwiches with olive oil, cheese and prosciutto (parma ham to you heathens!)
2. Mid-ride - banana and/or apple slices
3. Later in the ride: small sandwiches of honey and/or marmelade.
Races: small sandwiches packed with marmelade
Works way better, is healthier, and no problemos.
Oh, BTW, lots of H20 in the water bottles. Or, if in a race, de-fizzed coke (something with sugar w/o carbonation) - I always prefer the former, but the power of globalisatio and world wide brands does have an effect, even here. And to think cyclists use to drink one part soda water and one part white wine through the 60s...
Long rides:
1. After about an hour/two: 1-2 small sandwiches with olive oil, cheese and prosciutto (parma ham to you heathens!)
2. Mid-ride - banana and/or apple slices
3. Later in the ride: small sandwiches of honey and/or marmelade.
Races: small sandwiches packed with marmelade
Works way better, is healthier, and no problemos.
Oh, BTW, lots of H20 in the water bottles. Or, if in a race, de-fizzed coke (something with sugar w/o carbonation) - I always prefer the former, but the power of globalisatio and world wide brands does have an effect, even here. And to think cyclists use to drink one part soda water and one part white wine through the 60s...
Do you have your personal waitstaff riding with you on your long rides, or do you carry a grocery bag.
If I had someone else carrying all this food for me, thats what I would eat. The prosciutto, cheese sandwiches are great. But, I don't. 4 hour ride: one cliff bar, one extran juice box, one extran gel pack (only for the last hour, just in case), lots of water.
2 hour ride: just water.
10-02-05, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose R
So euro, so 80s...straight out of the musette bag for team PDM.
Do you have your personal waitstaff riding with you on your long rides, or do you carry a grocery bag.
If I had someone else carrying all this food for me, thats what I would eat. The prosciutto, cheese sandwiches are great. But, I don't. 4 hour ride: one cliff bar, one extran juice box, one extran gel pack (only for the last hour, just in case), lots of water.
2 hour ride: just water.
Do you have your personal waitstaff riding with you on your long rides, or do you carry a grocery bag.
If I had someone else carrying all this food for me, thats what I would eat. The prosciutto, cheese sandwiches are great. But, I don't. 4 hour ride: one cliff bar, one extran juice box, one extran gel pack (only for the last hour, just in case), lots of water.
2 hour ride: just water.
And I will gladly take over the thread, if you like. Actually, the amount of food I am talking about is not that much if... you wear a regular cycling jersey!
I might not have been clear, but I provided you with the menu for a long ride (a la Gran Fondo rides we do here in the Old World) where chances are you will be on your bike for more than 6 hours anyway. The first rolls with prosciutto and cheese (if you are into that sort of thing add some rucola, makes it really yummy) is good for your ' base ', as you ride longer the food tends to move more towards sugary stuff.
And none of that yucky gatorady stuff. Water, I am inclined to agree with you, Jose R, is the best thing.
Hey, trust me, I am Italian.
Buone pedalate!
10-02-05, 03:58 PM
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Anyway, water, fruit and a few rolls with jam will do the trick. No need for powerbars, schmowerbars, cliff bars, extran bars and all that other garbage with partially complex carbos and a twist of fructose and wee bit of this and that.
And the sandwiches taste better if you mom makes them!
No, no, now I am married and I have to make them on my own. It is a tough world...
And the sandwiches taste better if you mom makes them!
No, no, now I am married and I have to make them on my own. It is a tough world...
10-02-05, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jackb
May I humbly suggest that the cheese be provolone. Don't forget the red wine with dinner after you get home from your ride.
Sheesh, now they say that alcohol is bad for you...
p.s. the cheese choice is up to you, I am a fontina man myself for my sandwiches, but it is a free world...
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Do racers have especially developed saliva glands? I tried eating a powerbar while on the return part of a 1 hour ride, and had trouble chewing and breathing. The promo material stated that the form factor of the bar was made for athletes, but I found the way the bar stuck to the wrapper to be very inconvenient. The Cliff bar I tried was easier to handle and tastier. Both were more expensive than my homemade solar oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
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I really doubt there are many pros that eat powerbars and/or Cliff bars much during a race day. And it is doubtful that you really need to eat anything on a 2 or less hour ride.
10-02-05, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Powerful Pete
I really doubt there are many pros that eat powerbars and/or Cliff bars much during a race day. And it is doubtful that you really need to eat anything on a 2 or less hour ride.
not quite. Having packed and eaten from plenty of musettes, I can tell you every rider is different, and COMPLETELY anal about what they eat.....
-some love commercial "power bars" and slices
-some prefer sugary cakes
-some like little soft sandwiches
-some race only on carbo gels and liquids
-some like a little can of Coke....esp coming into the final
most use a combination of the above.
But you are correct on distance. Unless the race is 150km plus, it's unlikely there will be even be a feed.
10-02-05, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Powerful Pete
LOL. That would be me, Euro, watching and hoping for the nasty men like Stephen Rooks, Gert-Jan Theunisse and that awful Spaniard Big Mig Indurain would fall off the pace so that God's Gift to Cycling, aka Gianni Bugno, could rightfully win a Tour de France. Not to be. And I was NOT a PDM fan. Nasty Dutch people.
I might not have been clear, but I provided you with the menu for a long ride (a la Gran Fondo rides we do here in the Old World) where chances are you will be on your bike for more than 6 hours anyway.
I might not have been clear, but I provided you with the menu for a long ride (a la Gran Fondo rides we do here in the Old World) where chances are you will be on your bike for more than 6 hours anyway.
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awesome pics....
I'm officially Gianni Bugno's #1 fan.
good work.
I'm officially Gianni Bugno's #1 fan.
good work.
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Originally Posted by vadenplas
I have found, through trial and error, that power bars,gu and other energy product really cannot beat dried fruit. Dried dates, apricots and nuts are the best energy food on the trail for me. Let me know what you guys think.
I just completed back to back centuries on Wisconsin lime stone trails.
My total nutrition intake was Gel packages of 90 calories each. I had 10 packages per day. Dinner was fish, veggies, potato and bottle of good wine. Breakfast was large oatmeal, fruit plate and egg sandwich.
My speed was 100 miles in 6 hours the first day with a light wind from the back.
Second day it took 7 hours for the 100 miles with a gusty headwind, all the way.
I lost 4 lb. in those two days but some of that may be water.
Summary: I will not do this again. The Gel became distasteful after the two days.
I did this same trip with conventional food and felt better and had more energy.
10-02-05, 11:29 PM
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Wow, please get your facts straight. Dried fruit is an excellent source of glucose which is the main source of energy burned by a body. Trust me they work.
10-03-05, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by vadenplas
Wow, please get your facts straight. Dried fruit is an excellent source of glucose which is the main source of energy burned by a body. Trust me they work.
Maybe I'll google up what the percentages are, but I suppose it depends on the fruit.
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Here's the top 50 fruits containing the highest amount of glucose (in mgs) per 100 gram serving:
And, here's the top 50 fruits containing the highest amount of fructose (in mgs) per 100 gram serving:
To me, these look like acceptable alternatives, but I still feel, IMHO, that the dried fruit will just suck the water right out of you unless you take on more water to adjust for the fruit.
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Fruits and Fruit Juices # mg/100g Food Name 001 33680 Dates, medjool 002 33080 Apricots, dried, sulfured, uncooked 003 27750 Raisins, seedless 004 25540 Plums, dried (prunes), uncooked 005 24790 Figs, dried, uncooked 006 22270 Prune puree 007 19870 Dates, deglet noor 008 12830 Peaches, dried, sulfured, uncooked 009 7700 Pineapple, canned, juice pack, solids and liquids 010 7500 Pineapple, canned, heavy syrup pack, solids and liquids 011 7200 Grapes, red or green (european type varieties, such as, Thompson seedless), raw 012 6589 Cherries, sweet, raw 013 6100 Pears, canned, heavy syrup pack, solids and liquids 014 5629 USDA Commodity, mixed fruit (peaches, pears, grapes), canned, light syrup, solids and liquids [A404] 015 5490 USDA Commodity, mixed fruit (peaches, pears, grapes), canned, light syrup, drained [A404] 016 5439 Persimmons, japanese, raw 017 5070 Plums, raw 018 4979 Bananas, raw 019 4880 Blueberries, raw 020 4800 Pears, canned, light syrup pack, solids and liquids 021 4500 Abiyuch, raw 022 4300 Applesauce, canned, sweetened, without salt 023 4180 Cherries, sour, red, raw 024 4110 Kiwi fruit, (chinese gooseberries), fresh, raw 025 3899 Cherries, sour, red, canned, water pack, solids and liquids (includes USDA commodity red tart cherries, canned) 026 3300 Pears, canned, juice pack, solids and liquids 027 3280 Cranberries, raw 028 3250 Apples, raw, without skin 029 3220 Currants, red and white, raw 030 2760 Pears, raw [Includes USDA commodity food A435] 031 2680 Melons, honeydew, raw 032 2500 Apple juice, canned or bottled, unsweetened, without added ascorbic acid 033 2430 Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343] 034 2370 Apricots, raw [Includes USDA commodity food A386] 035 2340 Orange juice, frozen concentrate, unsweetened, diluted with 3 volume water 036 2310 Blackberries, raw 037 2170 Avocados, raw, Florida 038 2130 Tangerines, (mandarin oranges), raw 039 2040 Strawberries, raw 040 2020 Strawberries, frozen, unsweetened 041 1970 Oranges, raw, navels 042 1950 Peaches, raw 043 1900 Pears, canned, water pack, solids and liquids 044 1860 Raspberries, raw 045 1760 Pineapple, raw, traditional varieties 046 1740 Pineapple, raw, all varieties 047 1700 Pineapple, raw, extra sweet variety 048 1610 Grapefruit, raw, pink and red, all areas 049 1580 Watermelon, raw 050 1570 Nectarines, raw
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Fruits and Fruit Juices # mg/100g Food Name 001 31950 Dates, medjool 002 29680 Raisins, seedless 003 22930 Figs, dried, uncooked 004 19560 Dates, deglet noor 005 13870 Prune puree 006 13490 Peaches, dried, sulfured, uncooked 007 12490 Plums, dried (prunes), uncooked 008 12470 Apricots, dried, sulfured, uncooked 009 8130 Grapes, red or green (european type varieties, such as, Thompson seedless), raw 010 7500 Applesauce, canned, sweetened, without salt 011 7200 Pineapple, canned, heavy syrup pack, solids and liquids 012 6501 Pineapple, canned, juice pack, solids and liquids 013 6231 Pears, raw [Includes USDA commodity food A435] 014 6030 Apples, raw, without skin 015 5900 Apples, raw, with skin [Includes USDA commodity food A343] 016 5900 Pears, canned, heavy syrup pack, solids and liquids 017 5800 Pears, canned, juice pack, solids and liquids 018 5601 Apple juice, canned or bottled, unsweetened, without added ascorbic acid 019 5559 Persimmons, japanese, raw 020 5370 Cherries, sweet, raw 021 5101 Pears, canned, light syrup pack, solids and liquids 022 5041 USDA Commodity, mixed fruit (peaches, pears, grapes), canned, light syrup, solids and liquids [A404] 023 4970 Blueberries, raw 024 4850 Bananas, raw 025 4850 USDA Commodity, mixed fruit (peaches, pears, grapes), canned, light syrup, drained [A404] 026 4350 Kiwi fruit, (chinese gooseberries), fresh, raw 027 3899 Pears, canned, water pack, solids and liquids 028 3801 Abiyuch, raw 029 3530 Currants, red and white, raw 030 3510 Cherries, sour, red, raw 031 3360 Watermelon, raw 032 3070 Plums, raw 033 2960 Melons, honeydew, raw 034 2700 Cherries, sour, red, canned, water pack, solids and liquids (includes USDA commodity red tart cherries, canned) 035 2560 Orange juice, frozen concentrate, unsweetened, diluted with 3 volume water 036 2500 Strawberries, raw 037 2400 Blackberries, raw 038 2400 Tangerines, (mandarin oranges), raw 039 2350 Raspberries, raw 040 2250 Oranges, raw, navels 041 2170 Strawberries, frozen, unsweetened 042 2150 Pineapple, raw, extra sweet variety 043 2050 Pineapple, raw, all varieties 044 1940 Pineapple, raw, traditional varieties 045 1870 Melons, cantaloupe, raw [includes USDA commodity food A415] 046 1770 Grapefruit, raw, pink and red, all areas 047 1530 Peaches, raw 048 1370 Nectarines, raw 049 940 Apricots, raw [Includes USDA commodity food A386] 050 629.9 Cranberries, raw
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"1 bottle of brown rice syrup from Whole Foods contains 596g and costs $3.59, not taxable."
Yes, I've heard of the "corn syrup", the pancake-sryup, and now the "rice-syrup" bulk energy replacement stratagy. However, I can never find any modern-day racers ever actually "packing" the stuff in their jersey on race day. If they can afford to race, it seems, they go ahead and buy the "special-fortified" stuff. (or are sponsored supplied)
Since you seem to be such a "bright a-hole", I'd like to hear more of your semi-coherent babble.
I'd like to know if in fact - you actually DO use bulk sugar products?
Yes, I've heard of the "corn syrup", the pancake-sryup, and now the "rice-syrup" bulk energy replacement stratagy. However, I can never find any modern-day racers ever actually "packing" the stuff in their jersey on race day. If they can afford to race, it seems, they go ahead and buy the "special-fortified" stuff. (or are sponsored supplied)
Since you seem to be such a "bright a-hole", I'd like to hear more of your semi-coherent babble.
I'd like to know if in fact - you actually DO use bulk sugar products?