^^ thanks for the link. looks like fun.

What's "the climb" in the area? Around here mt.diablo is roughly an hour (if you're quick) or in the south bay old la honda "olh" is another, slightly shorter benchmark. near berkeley we also have a 9-14 minute hill (that's work class speed to just a hair slower than me) that we time up. Anything like that around.

also,bengeboy, thanks for taking time to answer questions. I really appreciate it