i haven't raced in 25 years, and however much i lust to have my 1984 all Campy Grandis back, i wouldn't dream of showing up at a criterium on one now days. they were the best there were in 1985. but you have to ask, best at what? i do agree that 1985 or so was probably the high moment of the old technology that began at the turn of the 20th century, but the paradigm has now shifted...and we can't compare the two, because they are apples and oranges