The Lobster gloves are a very nice product and I thought I would end up getting them myself last year. I just happened to have bought these REI fleece Convertible mittens for hiking really cheap a few years ago and decided to give them a whirl over the Cyclones on the bike. Now I'm hooked, being able to flip them back and use my Cycloned fingertips to lock my bike, fiddle with panniers, lights, water bottle, etc. I'm still astounded that they work all the way down to 20 degrees or so without needing to add the Waterproof/Windproof shell layer over the top.