sorry to create a thread taken so unseriously. Would you treat a carbon bike worth $3,000 the same as one worth $600? You would think cyclists are a tight knit group who do anything to help out other cyclists, but tons of times in these forums the cycling "elite" guys have to lash out on the beginners or people who do not know much about cycling. There is so much criticizing and sarcasm when people are legitimately trying to learn or ask questions.