Originally Posted by
spcialzdspksman
I'd love for you to show me where I "twisted" your words. Up to now, you still haven't provided any quotes or evidence to prove what you've said, whatsoever!
Unlike you, I don't need to see the exact part of every single thing to to picture a leg down to a vertical crank position.
and AGAIN when did I ever say that things can't be different? I am simply noting that most frames designed for fixed gear riding are VERY SIMILAR, where you then said he needs a frame a SIZE DOWN because it's a FG frame.
All you're doing now is dismissing this whole argument simply because YOU can provide no PROOF.
I have quoted every single thing that you have said and contradicted and all you did was say I "twisted" them without telling how, and then proceeding to insult (again) and calling me a dumbass.
And the video: if you support what TejanoTrackie said, which was the video I posted, why are you even arguing?
Oh right, maybe because you didn't even BOTHER to look at the video I posted before arguing that what I said was wrong.
When I saw the photo, I can definitely tell that his leg was too bent, even in that position. If you can't see that, it's not my fault.
Then I posted further instruction for him to find his fit, IN ADDITION to my speculation.
If you now suddenly, or always have, supported what was said in the video, which I originally posted, whose fault is it you're arguing against something you so support?
Let me make this clear, I realize measurements for frames, geometry, people can be different. I just don't agree the extent you have taken this fact to apply to all fixed gear frames, that require a SIZE DOWN, which measurements would probably be completely thrown off.
Sure frames have different sizings, that's why you should measure and determine the specs of the frame yourself and not just go by what's written.
And the frame angles affecting a person's fit? That's just puzzling, unless you mean they are enough to affect the length of the TT, ST, and other measurements. Someone riding a 54cm touring frame can very well ride a 54cm track frame, despite their angle differences. (different methods of sizing, i.e. center to top, center to center, etc, aside)
Let me point out that there's also the difference between the actual TT and effective TT, (and ST) the latter being the factor for sizing.
And you're right, I have yet to learn the fit properties of the reach of handlebars, but you're not the one to talk, since you've indicated you're only still learning the complete fit of a bike as well.
Where the hell did I say the OP need to size down a bike? Why would he size down when his bike might appear to be too small? I don't need to quote you. You are lying you ass of on what I said.
What did the video say that you said? Nothing!!!! You can tell form that picture he was too low? Wow, you amazing! Can you tell me the Powerball Numbers as well?
That video is just basic stuff and I did not need it! I mentioned what saddle height should be without watching it and I was right!
READ what
I said and
LISTEN to the video. Same comment. about saddle height.
And the frame angles affecting a person's fit? That's just puzzling, unless you mean they are enough to affect the length of the TT, ST, and other measurements. Someone riding a 54cm touring frame can very well ride a 54cm track frame, despite their angle differences. (different methods of sizing, i.e. center to top, center to center, etc, aside)
Possibly. Depending on the riders anatomy, angle HT length etc. Soo many factors it not funny.
Most people I know that ride SEVERAL types of bike from different brands do NOT end up n the same sizing. Like me. I will ride a small horizontal TT frame and a larger compact. Most riders will have the same experience.
Again I never said EVERY rider will have to size down for EVERY Track frame. But many will it BB height will effect SO that does not make them comfortable. Again putting words in my mouth.
This also lends to why most riders on their FG have stem that are too short. They sized down because of SO and their effective cockpit is too short.
Like I said the first time. I left out may: " Track geo and higher BB
may force more riders to go a size down." Is this everyone?
Get lost!