Well, I bought the Flyer, I agree about the rivets, I have several vingtage saddles and the only one that tore at the riviet was one that was on that was adjusted too tight. I love the look of the Flyer Special but I've run out of $. Now if someone wants to donate a Flyer Special in black.....well I'd be happy to accept! Thanks for all the great advise. Safe rides everyone!