I was going to stay out of the whole C&V vs. CR thing but what the heck, I'll throw my 2 cents in...no one has mentioned what I consider to be the biggest difference between the two and the primary reason I spend more time in C&V - the format. I'm not thrilled with the "upgraded" forum software here but at least it is forum software. CR is using vintage list server technology that really doesn't facilitate the free flow of conversation. I receive the digest of the forum because I wouldn't want the volume of email it would otherwise generate but that makes it really hard to follow a conversation. I'm sure I miss a lot. Only for the absolute most interesting threads will I go to the archives and look it up but even then the messages can be difficult to read because of the odd formatting. Otherwise I like them both and find they both have many fine individuals and a handful of folks who can get a bit full of themselves. Just ignore that which does not interest you.