ok then, the msrp on the 2010 105 group is $850. Apex is $799, so it's right around there. I'm sure everyone will think it's functionally better than 105, so there you have it -- your new budget race groupset. No one buys rival now, since apex does the same thing and if they wanted to spend more money they'd go with red


^^ edited the wrong post, but this sounds like the perfect group for cyclocross. there's even a 46/38 available standard.