I must be crazy to try this again.I had a Brooks B17 Special did not like it at all then I went and got what I thought was a good saddle to use it was nice for a while but then it started to hurt as well guess it was to soft lol.And I found out why my first B17 was killing me but it was to late I had it sold to some one.So just today I went and got my self a new Brooks saddle special again but this time I knew how to set it up.After talking to my LBS they told me what all I needed to do and I must say it felt pretty good on my short test ride today.I going to take a longer ride if the weather holds up in the morning think its going to be in the 50s here nice ridding weather I think.Its funny how you think you know it all on putting on a saddle but as I found out there is a lot more to it than I though it would be.Front to back and then tilt and height all goes a long way to enjoying a ride on a saddle.I think my LHT looks better now with a Brooks Saddle back on it.