Excellent. Thanks for all the help. Now I can do my 2X build without worrying about it. There are 2 hubs, both 3 speeds, one Shimano, one Sturmey. Neither of them big enough to force me to go to a 1X pattern, but I've seen places where that's necessary. I laced up a Nuvinci hub to a 700 rim with a 2X pattern and started snapping spokes at the nipple. had to rebuild with a 1X. But I'm thinking these hubs will handle 2X. Especially given that at least one was originally done in a 3X pattern.