I have a pair of 661 nasty's. I really liked them but after about 4 months of riding with them, the palms are starting to be really worn and kind of tearing away. Whats awesome about the Oakley gloves, is that they have kevlar so they won't wear nearly as fast as the 661's. PLUS, if my rich sister forks over the cash for them, then rock on! She is already paying for half of my college education. I better become rich so I can pay for her kids when they need something. lol.